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I submitted my unofficial transcript to some employers and the district attorney's office. Two of my grades last semester should state a B- instead of a B. I rounded up, where I realize it is probably not appropriate from a 3.035 to a 3.1.

I now may have an offer, but in the interests of candor and honesty should I disclose the information or withdraw my application.
Any advice would be appreciated.

Wait what? Your unofficial transcript was incorrect? Like, what you got from your school but it wasn't stamped or whatever? Or did you just say "here are my grades," wrote up a list, then lied that you got Bs when you actually got B-s?

And you separately rounded up your 3.035 to a 3.1, like on your resume? You shouldn't have done that second part. Significant figures bro.

Yeah I don't know, lying is bad, but someone here will probably berate me for being a typical TLSer and then retort "its no big deal."

If you flat lied....well the right thing to do is come clean. If it was a mistake, well then come clean. But it you're unethical - you're in too deep now, just hope no one finds out. What are you expecting to hear?

bigsrve1aj wrote:I submitted my unofficial transcript to some employers and the district attorney's office. Two of my grades last semester should state a B- instead of a B. I rounded up, where I realize it is probably not appropriate from a 3.035 to a 3.1.

I now may have an offer, but in the interests of candor and honesty should I disclose the information or withdraw my application.
Any advice would be appreciated.

Withdraw your application and hope nobody finds out you forged your transcript.

bigsrve1aj wrote:I submitted my unofficial transcript to some employers and the district attorney's office. Two of my grades last semester should state a B- instead of a B. I rounded up, where I realize it is probably not appropriate from a 3.035 to a 3.1.

I now may have an offer, but in the interests of candor and honesty should I disclose the information or withdraw my application.
Any advice would be appreciated.

honestly, i would just play dumb.

Desert Fox wrote:

bigsrve1aj wrote:I submitted my unofficial transcript to some employers and the district attorney's office. Two of my grades last semester should state a B- instead of a B. I rounded up, where I realize it is probably not appropriate from a 3.035 to a 3.1.

I now may have an offer, but in the interests of candor and honesty should I disclose the information or withdraw my application.
Any advice would be appreciated.

Withdraw your application and hope nobody finds out you forged your transcript.

Ha thought the same thing

bigsrve1aj wrote:I submitted my unofficial transcript to some employers and the district attorney's office. Two of my grades last semester should state a B- instead of a B. I rounded up, where I realize it is probably not appropriate from a 3.035 to a 3.1.

I now may have an offer, but in the interests of candor and honesty should I disclose the information or withdraw my application.
Any advice would be appreciated.

Withdraw your transcript. What you did was sloppy and your gpa was grossly inflated. Playing dumb will not work. If they contact your school then you are dealing with C&F issues when you apply to the bar.

inb4 I accidentally shit myself will I fail c&f?





lol @ the trolls in this thread.

Tell them of the mistake, if they take back the offer, oh well.

Don't wait until later when they will eventually (probably) ask for an official transcript

Under no circumstances would I inform my school of this if this happened to me. (Note: it didn't happen to me, because I'm not an idiot and made sure to have my career advisor review and sign off on my unofficial transcript. I also got my career advisor to give me written approval of my rounded GPA before I sent documents with my GPA printed on them off to firms.) But anyways, I would definitely inform the firm ASAP. They will inevitably ask you for an official transcript at some point, and you want to get ahead of this problem ASAP if they happen to compare your unofficial transcript to your official transcript. Fuck telling your school though. Don't get into needless trouble with them over an honest mistake (Note: I have firsthand experience with overzealous law school administrators who are eager to teach law students a lesson.) You have no obligation to inform them anyway. This is between you and your employer.

Was your GPA inflated on your unofficial transcript? Or did you just commit a rounding error on 2 individual grades on the transcript but list an accurate overall GPA? I think you are in deeper doo-doo if you rounded up your actual GPA incorrectly...

I don't understand, are y'all not able to just either copy and paste or print to PDF your unofficial transcripts? I've been at two schools and I've never had to type my own grades or GPA (and the rule for GPA is to give the same number of significant digits as the school uses... thus a 3.035 is a 3.035, not a 3.04 and not a 3.0, and of course, certainly not a 3.1). The only editing I've done to them is to delete my SSN.

BVest wrote:I don't understand, are y'all not able to just either copy and paste or print to PDF your unofficial transcripts? I've been at two schools and I've never had to type my own grades or GPA (and the rule for GPA is to give the same number of significant digits as the school uses... thus a 3.035 is a 3.035, not a 3.04 and not a 3.0, and of course, certainly not a 3.1). The only editing I've done to them is to delete my SSN.

At my school we can only get unofficial transcripts from the registrars office because our grades online purposely have one significant figure than is required by the academic policy for grade reporting. Then because simplicity's weirdly low file size caps, we aren't able to get a suitable scan to fit the file size, so they tell us to make our own transcripts in word. Honestly, half the problems in law school could be solved by getting a competent tech department. Or lawyer's being able to do simple math and use excel sheets. CSO actually said we couldn't compute the GPA ourselves and had to go get an unofficial transcript from the registrar, and use that because math.

I don't really understand how the B- to B happened. Mistakenly thinking you were permitted to round your GPA up I can sort of understand (although even that's pushing it), but did you intentionally convert your B-'s to B's? If I were in charge of hiring I would immediately throw out someone's application if they misrepresented a grade like that.

Avian wrote:I don't really understand how the B- to B happened. Mistakenly thinking you were permitted to round your GPA up I can sort of understand (although even that's pushing it), but did you intentionally convert your B-'s to B's? If I were in charge of hiring I would immediately throw out someone's application if they misrepresented a grade like that.

Yup. This is ridiculous. I think DF is probably right but this is definitely a potential C&F issue.

Yeah, you don't just round a 3.03 to a 3.1. That's not a rounding error no matter how many "lol lawyers are bad at math lol" jokes you make. And you don't just mistype a B- as a B.

I'm not seeing any honest mistakes here.

Relevant to scumbag OP:

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ ... two_law_f/

http://abovethelaw.com/2014/01/harvard- ... anscripts/

North wrote:Relevant to scumbag OP:

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ ... two_law_f/

http://abovethelaw.com/2014/01/harvard- ... anscripts/

Agreed

Also it's not "rounding up" if you change your individual letter grades in classes. Rounding happens to the final GPA if you're a hundredth of a decimal pint or two away. A student w a cumulative 3.395, for instance, has an argument for just saying 3.4

Changing property from a B- to a B isn't like that at all . This is a BIG C&F issue.

mr.hands wrote:

North wrote:Relevant to scumbag OP:

http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/ ... two_law_f/

http://abovethelaw.com/2014/01/harvard- ... anscripts/

Agreed

Also it's not "rounding up" if you change your individual letter grades in classes. Rounding happens to the final GPA if you're a hundredth of a decimal pint or two away. A student w a cumulative 3.395, for instance, has an argument for just saying 3.4

Changing property from a B- to a B isn't like that at all . This is a BIG C&F issue.

The prudent move is to withdraw application? Or in the alternative disclose the intentional misrepresentation?
I have received an offer, however, I feel that my candidacy has been misrepresented.

bigsrve1aj wrote:The prudent move is to withdraw application? Or in the alternative disclose the intentional misrepresentation?
I have received an offer, however, I feel that my candidacy has been misrepresented.

QFP.

Wow.

bigsrve1aj wrote: The prudent move is to withdraw application? Or in the alternative disclose the intentional misrepresentation?
I have received an offer, however, I feel that my candidacy has been misrepresented.

IMHO, I think the right move would be to withdraw the application, and forego the offer. Fix your resume/transcripts, don't intentionally misrepresent ever again, and start applying to other places. That way you don't have a C&F issue, and you've corrected the mistake before it hurt you.

We all make mistakes, so correct this one as best as you can. But don't let the difference between a 3.035 and a 3.1, or between a B and B- affect the rest of your career. It's not worth it.

I would withdraw. No one in their right mind would hire you knowing that you made this dumb decision, so I don't see the benefit of telling them that you falsified your credentials.

The job should go to someone who deserves it.

I'm still confused. Was the "rounding up" a result of computing with B's instead of B minues or a separate error? If the difference is just between a 3.035 and a 3.1, you could maybe consider disclosing the mistake(s) so long as they were unintentional. If computing Bs instead of B minuses got you to 3.035, though, and then you "rounded up" too, it's hard to argue it was unintentional. That's probably going from sub-3.0 to 3.1, which is significant.

Honestly, I doubt they hired you based on your GPA, so the number isn't going to make much of a difference. What would make a difference is if it looks like 1) you intentionally misrepresented your record 2) you're careless or 3) you're really bad at math. Which of those three the employer will believe depend on if it was one "mistake" or a combination. If it was truly unintentional and you have an honest explanation, you could disclose it and see what happens. If it was intentional, then you need to withdraw immediately and decline the offer as others have said.

You definitely need to consider the character and fitness issues. Your record was seriously misstated and for the reasons I pointed out, people are unlikely to view it as an innocent mistake. You could face serious consequences. Withdraw and those issues will probably never come to light, but you really need to try to learn something from this. As you've hopefully been able to garner from the reactions here, this is not okay.

OP should withdraw his application either because (a) he lied or (b) the alternative to lying is gross incompetence to a level where OP shouldn't be working at this job. Based on his posts ITT, (b) doesn't seem far off. OP is a moron.

zweitbester wrote:OP should withdraw his application either because (a) he lied or (b) the alternative to lying is gross incompetence to a level where OP shouldn't be working at this job. Based on his posts ITT, (b) doesn't seem far off. OP is a moron.

yeah pretty much this

bigsrve1aj wrote:I submitted my unofficial transcript to some employers and the district attorney's office. Two of my grades last semester should state a B- instead of a B. I rounded up, where I realize it is probably not appropriate from a 3.035 to a 3.1.

I now may have an offer, but in the interests of candor and honesty should I disclose the information or withdraw my application.
Any advice would be appreciated.

Congratulations OP, you've managed to word your question so incoherently that no one ITT knows WTF you actually did.

Three possibilities for the first "mistake:"
- You intentionally changed B- grades to B's
- You "accidentally" (?) changed B- grades to B's
- The unofficial transcript that was provided to you by your registrar incorrectly stated your B- grades as B's.

Each of those three possibilities can be modified by one of four GPA calculation "mistake" possibilities:
- You calculated your 3.035 GPA using your correct (B-) grades and then intentionally mis-rounded up when you knew that's not how this works.
- You calculated your 3.035 GPA using your correct (B-) grades and then rounded up because you don't understand third grade math.
- You calculated your 3.035 GPA using your incorrect (B) grades and then intentionally mis-rounded up when you knew that's not how this works.
- You calculated your 3.035 GPA using your incorrect (B) grades and then rounded up because you don't understand third grade math.

These twelve possibilities create a spectrum:
Careless >>>> Idiot >>>> Dishonest >>>> Forged Transcript (Fraud)

As you can see, OP, it's not looking good for you. Judging by your inability to formulate an unambiguous question that can actually be answered, I'd say you fall into at least two of these categories. (hint: one is the second-from-left category)

Withdraw your application before anyone finds out.