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Some rumblings here and on interwebz about the firm’s finances and kids getting no offered this and prior years (though not 2013). Anyone with an inside perspective care to comment?

No-offered 1/3 of the class this year. If it's your only offer, go but with eyes wide open and with a plan for 3L OCI/mass mailing.

Anonymous User wrote:No-offered 1/3 of the class this year. If it's your only offer, go but with eyes wide open and with a plan for 3L OCI/mass mailing.

Do you know why? Was it because of fit reasons, or firm finances, or both?

Anonymous User wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:No-offered 1/3 of the class this year. If it's your only offer, go but with eyes wide open and with a plan for 3L OCI/mass mailing.

Do you know why? Was it because of fit reasons, or firm finances, or both?

I can't imagine that they went to all the trouble of interviewing their summer class, making a round of cuts for callbacks, and making another round of cuts for offers, and still felt that a third of the class didn't fit. No-offer numbers that large would almost certainly not be because of fit reasons. And if it is, then they are so incompetent that you definitely shouldn't work there. It's almost better if it was for financial reasons.

There's some kind of saying about how if everyone seems wrong, you're probably the wrong one. In this case, if a third of the summer class is the wrong fit for the firm, odds are high that the firm is just wrong.

I met a Fitzpatrick Cella attorney from their OC office at a bar association event this summer and I will say he was one of the rudest, most socially awkward and bizarre people I'd ever met in the profession (which is saying a lot).

He also said in passing that they had ended nearly all their west coast recruiting due to constriction - they just visit one school now and they no longer take a standard summer class. I know it's different in new york but could be a sign of things to come.

IP botiques don't make sense anymore. The Lit groups are going to keep fleeing to big law, and the prosecution groups will form into pure prosecution shops.

IP Lit is way way way way more profitable than prosecution.

Desert Fox wrote:IP botiques don't make sense anymore. The Lit groups are going to keep fleeing to big law, and the prosecution groups will form into pure prosecution shops.

IP Lit is way way way way more profitable than prosecution.

Does prosecution have lifestyle benefits over litigation? Everything in pros has a 3 month deadline with very little surprises. Seems like a solid (maybe boring) way to make money at a pros boutique without the intense hours. A lot of in-house IP positions also require prosecution experience. Maybe I should switch over to full-time pros practice

ETA: I should add that DF is correct. Do not join the prosecution group at a general practice firm or even at places like Finnegan. Pros has a very low profit of margin and billing 2000 hours in pros is way way harder than doing the same in litigation