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Does splitting lessen full time offer chance?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:27 pm
by Anonymous User
I have 2 offers that I like at 2 V50 firms in a smaller market. Both firms do the kind of work I do, pay 160k on NY scale, are similarly sized, and seem to have somewhat similar cultures, with the lower ranked firm seeming to have the better culture and fit, but the other seeming to be somewhat more of a market leader (although unclear, both are top tier in this market).
Now that I have both offers, I am considering splitting. Does this lessen my offer chance at either place, if I spent 6 weeks at each? Also, should I try to start at a either in particular, for strategic reasons?
Does anyone who has done this get the sense that after starting full time, it generates a worse impression for you once you're there?
Thanks.
Re: Does splitting lessen full time offer chance?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:57 pm
by arklaw13
are both historically 100% offer firms?
Re: Does splitting lessen full time offer chance?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:10 pm
by 2014
Probably marginally. If they are 100% they are going to be 100% but to the extent they are going to no offer people for economic reasons, you are more likely to be in the discussion because of less face time, perceived lack of commitment, perceived other offer, etc. If it's a very high offer firm and the only people who historically get no-offered are actual work product or social fuck ups then you should be fine.
Strategically I would probably defer to the firm I thought I preferred (i.e. ask them which half they preferred). My intuition is that you would want to be at a 100% firm for the first half since in theory it shouldn't matter when you work there and if the other one is less than 100% you might benefit from being last on their minds as they mull offers. There's an argument for the other way too which I why I would just defer to your favorite firm's preference.
Re: Does splitting lessen full time offer chance?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:39 pm
by PepperJack
You also should consider the you portion of it. If you're really outgoing then I don't think it matters. Quieter people may have the disadvantage of not getting to know and be known by people at either place. Also, your work product at each place is amplified. If you do a bad job on one assignment, if you only have done four assignments then it might be harder to suggest this is a one time slip up. Generally, there are a substantial enough amount of firms operating under the you really have to mess up to not get an offer that one of your two firms is probably going to be 100%. I think the one thing would be (if possible) to go to the first half's social events when you could. I don't know if this is allowed at your firm for split summers, but I think it would be very beneficial especially if you get offered at both and need to choose.
Re: Does splitting lessen full time offer chance?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:43 pm
by McAvoy
PepperJack wrote:You also should consider the you portion of it. If you're really outgoing then I don't think it matters. Quieter people may have the disadvantage of not getting to know and be known by people at either place. Also, your work product at each place is amplified. If you do a bad job on one assignment, if you only have done four assignments then it might be harder to suggest this is a one time slip up. Generally, there are a substantial enough amount of firms operating under the you really have to mess up to not get an offer that one of your two firms is probably going to be 100%. I think the one thing would be (if possible) to go to the first half's social events when you could. I don't know if this is allowed at your firm for split summers, but I think it would be very beneficial especially if you get offered at both and need to choose.
Re: Does splitting lessen full time offer chance?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:44 pm
by ymmv
PepperJack wrote:You also should consider the you portion of it. If you're really outgoing then I don't think it matters. Quieter people may have the disadvantage of not getting to know and be known by people at either place. Also, your work product at each place is amplified. If you do a bad job on one assignment, if you only have done four assignments then it might be harder to suggest this is a one time slip up. Generally, there are a substantial enough amount of firms operating under the you really have to mess up to not get an offer that one of your two firms is probably going to be 100%. I think the one thing would be (if possible) to go to the first half's social events when you could. I don't know if this is allowed at your firm for split summers, but I think it would be very beneficial especially if you get offered at both and need to choose.
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Re: Does splitting lessen full time offer chance?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:49 pm
by McAvoy
ymmv wrote:MODS PLZ.
Right? I've been trying to figure out how to get google alerts whenever he posts so I can strike them out. I'm doing well enough manually but if he ever goes on a binge some could get through
Re: Does splitting lessen full time offer chance?
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:20 am
by Anonymous User
PepperJack wrote:You also should consider the you portion of it. If you're really outgoing then I don't think it matters. Quieter people may have the disadvantage of not getting to know and be known by people at either place. Also, your work product at each place is amplified. If you do a bad job on one assignment, if you only have done four assignments then it might be harder to suggest this is a one time slip up. Generally, there are a substantial enough amount of firms operating under the you really have to mess up to not get an offer that one of your two firms is probably going to be 100%. I think the one thing would be (if possible) to go to the first half's social events when you could. I don't know if this is allowed at your firm for split summers, but I think it would be very beneficial especially if you get offered at both and need to choose.
I agree with this advice. The no offers at my office were exclusively for the introverted redditor-like people. If you are very likeable, 6 weeks should be plenty of time to get enough partners pulling for you
Re: Does splitting lessen full time offer chance?
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:12 am
by BearState
If both firms are so similar why even split?
Re: Does splitting lessen full time offer chance?
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 12:08 pm
by Anonymous User
anyone know if splitting within the same firm often results in offers at both offices? or is there a chance that you won't even get an offer because they may not have gotten to know you well at each office due to shorter time spent at each??
Re: Does splitting lessen full time offer chance?
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:32 pm
by 2014
Anonymous User wrote:anyone know if splitting within the same firm often results in offers at both offices? or is there a chance that you won't even get an offer because they may not have gotten to know you well at each office due to shorter time spent at each??
To my knowledge you usually end up with both offers but it's firm dependent. If you are splitting with a satellite office that carefully manages headcount it's not a sure thing, especially if there are others who spent their whole summer at that satellite.
Splitting foreign offices seems to be a different story. Most people I know who did it did not get full time offers to the foreign office but when the time comes that the firm looks to send people over there, the ones who rotated are strongly preferred.
Re: Does splitting lessen full time offer chance?
Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:37 pm
by Anonymous User
i think you normally get offers at both, but i could be wrong. I know places like sadden and latham give offers at both if you split. but i could be wrong.