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Anonymous User wrote:Anyone have any experience or thoughts on the differences between the firms or preferences? Thanks

Regulus wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:Bumping this. Anyone have any thoughts on their respective corporate groups, recommendations on which firm to pick? Thanks

Schiff has a corporate group?

Anonymous User wrote:Winston does have a significant corporate group in Chicago and, from what I've heard, is actively looking to grow the practice. Winston is also considered one of the 4 or 5 best firms (overall) in terms of Chicago rep. Granted I know almost nothing about Sciff Hardin.

Also, Winston has a pretty friendly environment- at least from my CB visit (ie. moreso than most of my other callbacks)

Rahviveh wrote:Winston no-offered a bunch of people a couple years ago:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... it=winston

Anonymous User wrote:

Rahviveh wrote:Winston no-offered a bunch of people a couple years ago:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... it=winston

Yeah, that's usually the biggest negative I hear. But they have given 100% offers the past two years so I am not as worried about that. Anyone have any experience working at or working with Schiff?

Mal Reynolds wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

Rahviveh wrote:Winston no-offered a bunch of people a couple years ago:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... it=winston

Yeah, that's usually the biggest negative I hear. But they have given 100% offers the past two years so I am not as worried about that. Anyone have any experience working at or working with Schiff?

It's amazing how short people's memories are when it comes to legal hiring. I would never work at Latham or Winston.

Mal Reynolds wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

Rahviveh wrote:Winston no-offered a bunch of people a couple years ago:

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... it=winston

Yeah, that's usually the biggest negative I hear. But they have given 100% offers the past two years so I am not as worried about that. Anyone have any experience working at or working with Schiff?

It's amazing how short people's memories are when it comes to legal hiring. I would never work at Latham or Winston.

Regulus wrote:Yeah, Jones Day is one of those firms that even uses the fact that it didn't lay off many people during the recession as a selling point on its website, so there are definitely firms that have comparatively non-shitty / non-Latham business models.

However, something that always worries me is the fact that a lot of the offices of biglaw firms (especially in secondary markets) tout 100% offer rates while actually cold-offering a decent portion of their classes. For example, a somewhat preftigious American biglaw in one of the secondary markets I am shooting for (you all will know which one, but I am not going to state it here in order to remain somewhat anonymous) brings in about 10 2Ls each summer, but it apparently cold offers about 3 of them each year. This information is not available online anywhere, and the only reason I found out is because one of my friends summered there last year and witnessed it first hand.

Unless it is a major layoff, it is going to be difficult to find relevant information on ATL or even TLS.

As of now, we hear the megafirm sent a partner walking the halls of the New York office last week, telling litigators to consider the enriching employment opportunities of “somewhere else.”


The website of Jones Day is crowing about the opening of its new office in Perth. Meanwhile, the firm continues to be making more ($13.7 million in fees over 75 days) from Detroit’s misery than OmniCorp. That doesn’t sound like a firm tightening its belt.

But we’re hearing that on Thursday, Jones Day partner Charles Carberry took a list of names — rumored to be 10 or more — and stopped by the offices of these mid-level litigation associates to inform them that they had about three to six months to move on. That’s rough. Even in the boom years, the most successful job transitions take a few months to wrap up. No details on any sort of severance package, but hopefully the firm is offering something to keep these folks over until they can get a new job or decide to join Alex Rich, Mercenary Lawyer in the bleak embrace of contract work.

Anonymous User wrote:Anon OP here. I am leaning towards Winston here. I agree with what DF said in his thread. Can't hold what firms did a few years ago against them.

rickgrimes69 wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:Anon OP here. I am leaning towards Winston here. I agree with what DF said in his thread. Can't hold what firms did a few years ago against them.

Yes you can, and you should. Winston didn't just no-offer a couple SAs. It deferred offers in 2009, no-offered almost a third of its 2012 summer class, and conducted multiple rounds of layoffs of both lit and corp associates in 2011 and 2012. That's not the sign of a stable, financially healthy firm. I would only work there if I had no other option.