V5 or Top-5 Litigation Boutique?
Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:05 pm
What would be the plusses and minuses of each for a junior associate?
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OP probably doesn't even have offers at eitherNelson wrote:What is a "top 5 litigation boutique"? Hypo is pointless.
Anon abuse is a strong indicatorBiglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:(0L thread)
Susman associates get ridiculous bonuses. http://abovethelaw.com/2013/12/associat ... godfrey-2/. In 2012, Susman announced that one associate got a bonus of $330k.Pikappraider wrote:does the top 5 lit boutique pay above market like boies?
damn, yeah I would take the lit boutique all day.ResIpsa21 wrote:Susman associates get ridiculous bonuses. http://abovethelaw.com/2013/12/associat ... godfrey-2/. In 2012, Susman announced that one associate got a bonus of $330k.Pikappraider wrote:does the top 5 lit boutique pay above market like boies?
Which one doesn't require a clerkship? Keker? I thought you pretty much had to clerk to get into any of those firms.Yukos wrote:Three of the four boutiques require a clerkship so chances are (if you are real) you have already summered, clerked for at least a year and done callbacks at whichever firms you're considering.
It kind of does since idiots chase Vprestige pretty consistently.TooOld4This wrote:This humble brag does not deserve a serious response.
ResIpsa21 wrote:Which one doesn't require a clerkship? Keker? I thought you pretty much had to clerk to get into any of those firms.Yukos wrote:Three of the four boutiques require a clerkship so chances are (if you are real) you have already summered, clerked for at least a year and done callbacks at whichever firms you're considering.
curious about this - if you summer at susman and then just don't ever clerk, will you get no-offered at the end of your 2L summer? or are you just fucked on bonusAnonymous User wrote:ResIpsa21 wrote:Which one doesn't require a clerkship? Keker? I thought you pretty much had to clerk to get into any of those firms.Yukos wrote:Three of the four boutiques require a clerkship so chances are (if you are real) you have already summered, clerked for at least a year and done callbacks at whichever firms you're considering.
They still have summer classes. I accepted my permanent susman offer after my summer with them, but before my clerkship.
If you actually interviewed at these places, let alone had an offer from any of these firms, you wouldn't be asking this...Anonymous User wrote:What would be the plusses and minuses of each for a junior associate?
Anyone who is this blinded by arbitrary prestige deserves what they get.Desert Fox wrote:It kind of does since idiots chase Vprestige pretty consistently.TooOld4This wrote:This humble brag does not deserve a serious response.
Your perm. offer is contingent on clerking. If you choose not to clerk, you find another job. But that's super unlikely, since if you can get a summer spot, you likely already secured your clerkship before your 2L summer anyway.jbagelboy wrote:curious about this - if you summer at susman and then just don't ever clerk, will you get no-offered at the end of your 2L summer? or are you just fucked on bonusAnonymous User wrote:ResIpsa21 wrote:Which one doesn't require a clerkship? Keker? I thought you pretty much had to clerk to get into any of those firms.Yukos wrote:Three of the four boutiques require a clerkship so chances are (if you are real) you have already summered, clerked for at least a year and done callbacks at whichever firms you're considering.
They still have summer classes. I accepted my permanent susman offer after my summer with them, but before my clerkship.
I don't think the hours are worse than V5. Most people are around the average 2400. A few hit 2700-2800. I've never worked at a V5 in NYC, so I can't say for sure, but I've heard people usually go above 2400 (especially in corporate). And keep in mind that you bill for travel time. At susman, even first years travel a ton for depositions and trials, so that helps you hit the hour average.KD35 wrote:I know at least at Susman that you put in way more hours than most, if not all, of the V5 (from what I've heard online). Huge pros that I have heard so far are that the lit boutiques are more leanly staffed and thus you get more responsibility early on.
Also, some of the bonuses in the boutiques (namely Susman) can get pretty outrageous because of the profit sharing on P-side work.
Interesting to hear such a "low" hour average. The TLS consensus seems to be Susman has close to the worst hours in biglaw (if not the absolute worst). But you seem pretty happy there?Anonymous User wrote:I don't think the hours are worse than V5. Most people are around the average 2400. A few hit 2700-2800. I've never worked at a V5 in NYC, so I can't say for sure, but I've heard people usually go above 2400 (especially in corporate). And keep in mind that you bill for travel time. At susman, even first years travel a ton for depositions and trials, so that helps you hit the hour average.KD35 wrote:I know at least at Susman that you put in way more hours than most, if not all, of the V5 (from what I've heard online). Huge pros that I have heard so far are that the lit boutiques are more leanly staffed and thus you get more responsibility early on.
Also, some of the bonuses in the boutiques (namely Susman) can get pretty outrageous because of the profit sharing on P-side work.
-Susman anon
Yukos wrote:Why are you asking this here?