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Has anyone ever falsified their GPA on their resume, or heard of anyone doing this, to get a legal job or an interview?

Obviously this would only work if the employer only asked for an unofficial transcript or did not ask for a transcript at all. What are the chances an employer will always ask for an official transcript after the interview? If the employer did ask for official transcripts, you could just say you decided take a job elsewhere. All you would have lost is a job offer you probably wouldn't have gotten anyway. Granted, one is less likely to get away with this at a large firm, but perhaps a small firm would not have a policy on providing official transcripts.

In once heard of someone falsely stating they had a degree in biology when they actually had a degree in psychology to get a prestigious research job. Apparently it worked out for them, according to my source. But this could have just been an urban legend.

Here's a fun one from UVA: http://blogs.findlaw.com/greedy_associa ... paper.html

Good Lord. Don't do this.

sccjnthn wrote:Here's a fun one from UVA: http://blogs.findlaw.com/greedy_associa ... paper.html

I heard about this one. It seems it would be less risky just to write a fake GPA and hope no one checks. Though it may not be as effective, if you could pull off such a heist.

One (of many) problem is a lot of employers ask for an official transcript after accepting their offer but before starting work.

I can't imagine many situations where falsifying your grades would end well. This is the type of lie that could haunt you your entire career. It also seems like something that a potential employer would take seriously enough to report to your school or to the bar. The repercussions could be much worse than getting a job you don't deserve.

nsideirish wrote:Good Lord. Don't do this.

I didn't say I was, I'm just wondering if it ever happens.

I color copied my official transcript of OCI. And sent that around. Nobody ever asked for a real copy. I could have edited the fuck out of it.

fanlinxun wrote:One (of many) problem is a lot of employers ask for an official transcript after accepting their offer but before starting work.

I can't imagine many situations where falsifying your grades would end well. This is the type of lie that could haunt you your entire career. It also seems like something that a potential employer would take seriously enough to report to your school or to the bar. The repercussions could be much worse than getting a job you don't deserve.

Right, because no one would ever deserve a biglaw job unless they were in the top 10% of their class.

But they would deserve it if they falsified their transcript?

hoos89 wrote:But they would deserve it if they falsified their transcript?

No, that would be lying, which would be wrong. My point was that grades don't have any correlation to success in the real world.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/20/googl ... or-hiring/

The firm isn't reporting you to the bar because you had bad grades. They're reporting you because your falsified your credentials to get a job. And, you would probably be disbarred.

You wouldn't just lose out on that one employer. They would notify your school which would get you banned from OCI and probably expelled. That is exactly what happened at my school when someone plagiarized their writing sample. Anon because I don't want to put my school on blast.

mw115 wrote:The firm isn't reporting you to the bar because you had bad grades. They're reporting you because your falsified your credentials to get a job. And, you would probably be disbarred.

Yes, I know. Falsifying your grades is dishonest, and dishonesty, it this situation, is wrong.

But what I am saying is that just because you don't have the top grades in the class doesn't mean you don't "deserve" a particular job, as another user indicated above.

Anonymous User wrote:You wouldn't just lose out on that one employer. They would notify your school which would get you banned from OCI and probably expelled. That is exactly what happened at my school when someone plagiarized their writing sample. Anon because I don't want to put my school on blast.

That is assuming you are still in law school, and assuming you get caught.

No doubt there are serious consequences to getting caught, but how likely is that?

Anonymous User wrote:

mw115 wrote:The firm isn't reporting you to the bar because you had bad grades. They're reporting you because your falsified your credentials to get a job. And, you would probably be disbarred.

Yes, I know. Falsifying your grades is dishonest, and dishonesty, it this situation, is wrong.

But what I am saying is that just because you don't have the top grades in the class doesn't mean you don't "deserve" a particular job, as another user indicated above.

Fanlinxum's statement was solely about the falsification and not about grades. No one has intimated that bad grades means you don't deserve a job.

Reality is most will never check UNLESS its a job that wants you to send transcripts.
Most jobs don't even ask me to prove I went to undergrad despite "requiring" it.

My shitty resume is too pathetic to be made up. Saves me time.

mw115 wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

mw115 wrote:The firm isn't reporting you to the bar because you had bad grades. They're reporting you because your falsified your credentials to get a job. And, you would probably be disbarred.

Yes, I know. Falsifying your grades is dishonest, and dishonesty, it this situation, is wrong.

But what I am saying is that just because you don't have the top grades in the class doesn't mean you don't "deserve" a particular job, as another user indicated above.

Fanlinxum's statement was solely about the falsification and not about grades. No one has intimated that bad grades means you don't deserve a job.

That's not my reading of Fanlinxum's statement. In fact, it just the opposite.

mw115 wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

mw115 wrote:The firm isn't reporting you to the bar because you had bad grades. They're reporting you because your falsified your credentials to get a job. And, you would probably be disbarred.

Yes, I know. Falsifying your grades is dishonest, and dishonesty, it this situation, is wrong.

But what I am saying is that just because you don't have the top grades in the class doesn't mean you don't "deserve" a particular job, as another user indicated above.

Fanlinxum's statement was solely about the falsification and not about grades. No one has intimated that bad grades means you don't deserve a job.

then let me do so

bad grades come from bad student

source: life

thebarcaneatme wrote:Reality is most will never check UNLESS its a job that wants you to send transcripts.
Most jobs don't even ask me to prove I went to undergrad despite "requiring" it.

My shitty resume is too pathetic to be made up. Saves me time.

Ha. I worked in another industry before law school where the HR department would actually pay an outside company to verify all the detail of your resume such as you work history, titles, what conditions you left under, degrees. however, I don't think they could check GPAs because schools wont give out out the info unless the student asks for it.

thebarcaneatme wrote:

mw115 wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

mw115 wrote:The firm isn't reporting you to the bar because you had bad grades. They're reporting you because your falsified your credentials to get a job. And, you would probably be disbarred.

Yes, I know. Falsifying your grades is dishonest, and dishonesty, it this situation, is wrong.

But what I am saying is that just because you don't have the top grades in the class doesn't mean you don't "deserve" a particular job, as another user indicated above.

Fanlinxum's statement was solely about the falsification and not about grades. No one has intimated that bad grades means you don't deserve a job.

then let me do so

bad grades come from bad student

source: life

Without a doubt you are right. However, that's not what we are talking about here, you have missed a step:

Bad grades = bad student = no correlation to work performance/success

bullshit
bad work ethics are bad work ethics

under that math all serial killers are equally likely NOT to stab you

Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone ever falsified their GPA on their resume, or heard of anyone doing this, to get a legal job or an interview?

Obviously this would only work if the employer only asked for an unofficial transcript or did not ask for a transcript at all. What are the chances an employer will always ask for an official transcript after the interview? If the employer did ask for official transcripts, you could just say you decided take a job elsewhere. All you would have lost is a job offer you probably wouldn't have gotten anyway. Granted, one is less likely to get away with this at a large firm, but perhaps a small firm would not have a policy on providing official transcripts.

In once heard of someone falsely stating they had a degree in biology when they actually had a degree in psychology to get a prestigious research job. Apparently it worked out for them, according to my source. But this could have just been an urban legend.

Did you anon bc you didn't want other poasters to find out you're asking silly Qs?

thebarcaneatme wrote:bullshit
bad work ethics are bad work ethics

under that math all serial killers are equally likely NOT to stab you

under that math all serial killers are equally likely NOT to stab you[/quote]

You are assuming the skills need to succeed in school are the same skills need to succeed in the real world. The classroom is an artificial environment that rewards a very narrow set of abilities which can be developed and honed over time. The working world has very little in common with school.

Most people who have seriously studied the subject has come to this conclusion. See my link from above.

--LinkRemoved-- ... or-hiring/

baal hadad wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone ever falsified their GPA on their resume, or heard of anyone doing this, to get a legal job or an interview?

Obviously this would only work if the employer only asked for an unofficial transcript or did not ask for a transcript at all. What are the chances an employer will always ask for an official transcript after the interview? If the employer did ask for official transcripts, you could just say you decided take a job elsewhere. All you would have lost is a job offer you probably wouldn't have gotten anyway. Granted, one is less likely to get away with this at a large firm, but perhaps a small firm would not have a policy on providing official transcripts.

In once heard of someone falsely stating they had a degree in biology when they actually had a degree in psychology to get a prestigious research job. Apparently it worked out for them, according to my source. But this could have just been an urban legend.

Did you anon bc you didn't want other poasters to find out you're asking silly Qs?

No, I did it because it is a sensitive question and its often not hard to figure out who someone is on TLS if you really try.

Its not silly question. I was only questioning whether there falsifying GPA was pervasive or rare or nonexistent. If we can't ask these questions on TLS, where can we ask them?

Anonymous User wrote:

baal hadad wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:Has anyone ever falsified their GPA on their resume, or heard of anyone doing this, to get a legal job or an interview?

Obviously this would only work if the employer only asked for an unofficial transcript or did not ask for a transcript at all. What are the chances an employer will always ask for an official transcript after the interview? If the employer did ask for official transcripts, you could just say you decided take a job elsewhere. All you would have lost is a job offer you probably wouldn't have gotten anyway. Granted, one is less likely to get away with this at a large firm, but perhaps a small firm would not have a policy on providing official transcripts.

In once heard of someone falsely stating they had a degree in biology when they actually had a degree in psychology to get a prestigious research job. Apparently it worked out for them, according to my source. But this could have just been an urban legend.

Did you anon bc you didn't want other poasters to find out you're asking silly Qs?

No, I did it because it is a sensitive question and its often not hard to figure out who someone is on TLS if you really try.

Its not silly question. I was only questioning whether there falsifying GPA was pervasive or rare or nonexistent. If we can't ask these questions on TLS, where can we ask them?

I think the point was that it is a stupid question because of common sense. It doesn't take a genius to know not to do this.