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interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:36 am
by Anonymous User
I just got my first offer, at a place I like that pays market good place etc..
In a couple days I'm going to a non-OCI fair, and gave at least one interview scheduled with a firm that I would never accept over the offer I have. The organizers also just emailed us and said it is too late to cancel interviews.
I figure I shouldn't just skip it, could call my CSO or something? What if I just walk in and be like I changed my mind I don't think there is any way I would end up here? Or should I actually act like I'm still jobless and gun this interview, on the tiny tiny chance I like it. Or I could ask hardball questions to the interviewer that you otherwise typically can't ask at the screening stage
Tcr is?
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:44 am
by catfished
People are going to disagree with this, but I don't care.
NEVER turn down a real interview. In addition, take EVERY interview you can get. Why? Practice. Who cares whether you actually want the job or not. You go, and you give it 200%, and you hope you get a callback. Why? Self-confidence. With practice and confidence, you are that much more likely to crush it when it comes to interviewing for a position you actually want. Learning how to fake your way through a job interview for a job you don't want is probably the best practice you can get.
I knew people in your position that turned down real, on-campus interviews. They would instead go and sit in our CSO's office with some career counselor dishing fake questions, in the obviously unrealistic interview environment. This is stupid. If you can get a real interview, with a real person that you do not know, for a real job, take it.
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:57 am
by Jchance
Cancel that entire job fair if there's no interview u r interested in. Don't worry, it won't get back to u. Don't waste the attorneys' time as well as yours, they'd rather interview someone who would actually accept their offer.
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:10 am
by igo2northwestern
Jchance wrote:Cancel that entire job fair if there's no interview u r interested in. Don't worry, it won't get back to u. Don't waste the attorneys' time as well as yours, they'd rather interview someone who would actually accept their offer.
I take this position as well. It would make me feel off wasting someone's time like that. Unless I truly believe that there's no way I'd accept an offer, I'd take the interview; but again, it feels unethical putting on that kind of pretense. Also, is it possible that other students can do a last-minute signup once you drop? Not that the answer to this question really matters, but I think then it becomes a situation that's even more clear-cut.
Also, I think you can get plenty of practice/a sufficient amount of practice anyways.
Edit: What usually happens when someone cancels is his/her name gets stricken on a sheet posted outside the interviewer's room. So in that situation, I'm pretty sure someone can do a walk-in, in your place.
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:25 am
by 09042014
It is the job fairs fault for not letting you cancel interviews.
If there are no interviews at the fair you would accept, then don't go.
If there are, I'd do the interview and treat it as if it were real.
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:25 am
by BVest
I agree you should cancel. The firm likely has alternates they can call or will take walk-ups.
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:34 am
by Big Dog
If there are no interviews at the fair you would accept, then don't go.
Exactly. Let someone else have that ~15 minutes. It just maybe the 15 minutes that keeps them out of the Vale thread. Think about it from the perspective of other job seekers.
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:58 pm
by Anonymous User
Big Dog wrote:If there are no interviews at the fair you would accept, then don't go.
Exactly. Let someone else have that ~15 minutes. It just maybe the 15 minutes that keeps them out of the Vale thread. Think about it from the perspective of other job seekers.
Did you guys miss the no cancelling deal? If I no-show, the interviewer is probably gonna sit there like a jackass waiting for a few minutes..no one else is going to be able to get that slot.
There are other firms at the fair I definitely do want to interview with.
Sounds like I'll just go and see how it goes, unless the organizer in the morning says something about cancelling. SFIPLA for the record, seems like pretty jenky ass fair
Thanks for the input
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:02 pm
by BVest
We all saw the "no cancelling deal." That's the job fair organizer's deal, not the firm's. Are you so bad at research that you can't find an email address of the applicable recruiting coordinator?
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:06 pm
by Ohiobumpkin
catfished wrote:People are going to disagree with this, but I don't care.
NEVER turn down a real interview. In addition, take EVERY interview you can get. Why? Practice. Who cares whether you actually want the job or not. You go, and you give it 200%, and you hope you get a callback. Why? Self-confidence. With practice and confidence, you are that much more likely to crush it when it comes to interviewing for a position you actually want. Learning how to fake your way through a job interview for a job you don't want is probably the best practice you can get.
I knew people in your position that turned down real, on-campus interviews. They would instead go and sit in our CSO's office with some career counselor dishing fake questions, in the obviously unrealistic interview environment. This is stupid. If you can get a real interview, with a real person that you do not know, for a real job, take it.
Couldn't agree more.
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:07 pm
by Anonymous User
BVest wrote:We all saw the "no cancelling deal." That's the job fair organizer's deal, not the firm's. Are you so bad at research that you can't find an email address of the applicable recruiting coordinator?
yup you got me bro i just dont have your superior legal research skills
Ohiobumpkin wrote:catfished wrote:People are going to disagree with this, but I don't care.
NEVER turn down a real interview. In addition, take EVERY interview you can get. Why? Practice. Who cares whether you actually want the job or not. You go, and you give it 200%, and you hope you get a callback. Why? Self-confidence. With practice and confidence, you are that much more likely to crush it when it comes to interviewing for a position you actually want. Learning how to fake your way through a job interview for a job you don't want is probably the best practice you can get.
I knew people in your position that turned down real, on-campus interviews. They would instead go and sit in our CSO's office with some career counselor dishing fake questions, in the obviously unrealistic interview environment. This is stupid. If you can get a real interview, with a real person that you do not know, for a real job, take it.
Couldn't agree more.
Thanks, this is what I'm gonna go with, makes sense
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:12 pm
by Micdiddy
BVest wrote:We all saw the "no cancelling deal." That's the job fair organizer's deal, not the firm's. Are you so bad at research that you can't find an email address of the applicable recruiting coordinator?
Might want to check with OCS. Some places have a policy hat if you cancel an interview at a fair against protocol you have to give up an interview at your own OCI.
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:30 am
by twenty 8
As someone who will be a screener next month, I’d rather get a heads up that you cannot make it rather than just sit idly for twenty minutes. Just do what’s right.
Keep in mind firms pay schools to attend OCI so when a candidate fails to materialize it embarrasses the school.
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:32 am
by sublime
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Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 2:15 am
by 2014
I think you should notify them but to the extent you don't I think it would be worse to show up and waste their time. That's 20 minutes they can spend mowing through some emails on their BB and thus 20 minutes of free time that night, the next day, or whenever. Agree you should think of it from the Vale perspective rather than strict compliance with the program guidelines.
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:00 am
by jrf12886
This is easy. If you're going to the fair anyways, do the interview and turn down a callback if you get one. If that would be the only reason you'd be at the fair, tell the organizer despire whatever policy they have, you're cancelling.
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:53 am
by vinnnyvincenzo
If you did want to cancel, despite the no-cancel policy, I'm sure you could e-mail the person at career services at your school who deals with off-campus stuff and tell them why you don't want the interview anymore (i.e. you have better offers and want to free it up for someone else, not wasting interviewers time, etc.) and they would probably be happy to help remove you and give the slot to someone else.
Re: interview at firm when you know you wouldn't accept
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:22 am
by TooOld4This
Unless attending would be a financial hardship, go AND keep an open mind. Most lawyers would laugh at their law student-selves' priorities in picking firms. Further, the legal community is relatively small. It is not unheard of to hate your top choice and go back, hat in hand, to a firm that gave you an offer that you passed on. The person who does your screener might move on to some place you are interested in in the future. While it is rare to make a connection during a screener, the chance is there. Go, listen, be enthusiastic and see what happens.
(If you were further out, I'd say cancel, but this close it doesn't make sense.)