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This year's graduates, who regrets going to law school?

Pretty early for this. Almost no one has made their first loan payment yet or spent one day at that dream job.

DELG wrote:Pretty early for this. Almost no one has made their first loan payment yet or spent one day at that dream job.

Perhaps a year from now I'll make a second survey for Class of 2014 associates. Comparison will be interesting (read hilarious).

Define awesome job.

spleenworship wrote:Define awesome job.

I left it vague purposefully . May be big law for some, may be boutique or clerking for others. I don't know. I guess the sort of job you envisioned as a 1L when you thought 'I need to do well so I can have a chance to X.'

K. Voted.

Those who are glad they went but don't have a job. Why? Feel free to anonymize.

Glad I went, have a job lined up.

lawyers and law students are pieces of shit. of course the only people who regret going to law school have jobs and none of the people who don't have jobs regret going. lawyers and law students are 100% incapable of admitting mistakes that might reflect poorly on their own intellect/work ethic when they haven't ended up in as good of a situation as their peers. another example of this is the fact that law students who get bad grades NEVER talk about it, either on here or IRL. everyone has to pretend they're smart/capable/successful.

some of you are just dumber/lazier than others and, therefore, weren't able to succeed. it's okay to feel regret for trying to do something that you straight up failed at. it's okay to admit that you probably should have just become a UPS delivery guy from the get go. try admitting your inadequacy and fuckups a bit more, since this is an online forum and nobody gives a fuck who you are for the most part, and your mental illnesses might subside a bit

wut.

A. Nony Mouse wrote:wut.

i hate lawyers

^ So much this.

Also your name immediately makes me think you're a d-bag. I'd probably hate you too.

Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:lawyers and law students are pieces of shit. of course the only people who regret going to law school have jobs and none of the people who don't have jobs regret going. lawyers and law students are 100% incapable of admitting mistakes that might reflect poorly on their own intellect/work ethic when they haven't ended up in as good of a situation as their peers. another example of this is the fact that law students who get bad grades NEVER talk about it, either on here or IRL. everyone has to pretend they're smart/capable/successful.

some of you are just dumber/lazier than others and, therefore, weren't able to succeed. it's okay to feel regret for trying to do something that you straight up failed at. it's okay to admit that you probably should have just become a UPS delivery guy from the get go. try admitting your inadequacy and fuckups a bit more, since this is an online forum and nobody gives a fuck who you are for the most part, and your mental illnesses might subside a bit

Wait. How is having a job and saying you regret your decision not to go to law school not admitting a mistake? Shit. Anybody saying they regret it are admitting their mistake. But for clarity's sake: choosing to go to the law school was one of the biggest mistakes of my life.

This worries me. Why is it that a lot of people don't like law school? I'm a 0l but most of the things I'm reading discourage me.

Because law school is full of law students?

Also, 0Ls aren't allowed to post in this forum, sorry.

chizzy wrote:This worries me. Why is it that a lot of people don't like law school? I'm a 0l but most of the things I'm reading discourage me.

Do some reading:

Soul for Sale: An Empirical Study of Associate Satisfaction, Law Firm Culture, and the Effects of the Billable Hour Requirements

How Lawyer Lose Their Way: A Profession Fails its Creative Minds

The Destruction of Young Lawyers

The Lost Lawyer: Failing Ideals of the Legal Profession

Running for the Law: Why Good Lawyers are Getting out of the Legal Profession

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A. Nony Mouse wrote:Because law school is full of law students?

Also, 0Ls aren't allowed to post in this forum, sorry.

Ah sorry about that. Didn't see the thread classification

portaprokoss wrote:

Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:lawyers and law students are pieces of shit. of course the only people who regret going to law school have jobs and none of the people who don't have jobs regret going. lawyers and law students are 100% incapable of admitting mistakes that might reflect poorly on their own intellect/work ethic when they haven't ended up in as good of a situation as their peers. another example of this is the fact that law students who get bad grades NEVER talk about it, either on here or IRL. everyone has to pretend they're smart/capable/successful.

some of you are just dumber/lazier than others and, therefore, weren't able to succeed. it's okay to feel regret for trying to do something that you straight up failed at. it's okay to admit that you probably should have just become a UPS delivery guy from the get go. try admitting your inadequacy and fuckups a bit more, since this is an online forum and nobody gives a fuck who you are for the most part, and your mental illnesses might subside a bit

Wait. How is having a job and saying you regret your decision not to go to law school not admitting a mistake? Shit. Anybody saying they regret it are admitting their mistake. But for clarity's sake: choosing to go to the law school was one of the biggest mistakes of my life.

My point is that the only lawyers/law students who admit making a mistake are people who have an objectively awesome situation compared to those who are jobless. You don't find this odd? To me, it's evidence of some kind of omnipresent mental illness in the legal community.

Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:My point is that the only lawyers/law students who admit making a mistake are people who have an objectively awesome situation compared to those who are jobless. You don't find that even the least bit odd? To me, it's evidence of some kind of omnipresent mental illness in the legal community.

Your conclusion happens to be right but your reasoning is wrong.

Yes, lawyers (relative to other similar professionals as well as the general population) are disproportionately stressed, physically unhealthy, mentally ill, suicidal, and substance abusers. So no, their situation isn't objectively awesome. In fact if you consider the objective evidence for the unique misery of lawyers, quitting law or never entering in the first place is the 'objectively awesome' path.

Given that the profession is objectively miserable (in a survey of Michigan alums taken pre-crash ~78% were 'dissatisfied or worse' with their career), perhaps a better explanation is that some have admitted their mistake, some don't yet realize their mistake, and some are in denial. That seems more in accordance with the prideful nature of lawyers than omnipresent mental illness.

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Why bother with this poll?

I'm going to take an identical one of the class of 2014 a year from now and compare the results in order to see how starting actual work impacts one's impression.

portaprokoss wrote:I'm going to take an identical one of the class of 2014 a year from now and compare the results in order to see how starting actual work impacts one's impression.

Why not a 2013 one right now?

I'd be mildly interested.

I don't have anything to compare it with since I didn't survey the class of 2013 a year ago.