BigLaw Lawlz: 2L Summers + 1st year Associates, by the #'s
Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 7:44 pm
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Don't know what you're looking at the top one says "Summer 2Ls" and the bottom says "1st Year Associates."IAFG wrote:Not totally sure what these graphs reflect? Is it 2L SAs? Both are labeled the same.
Huh. That's what I see now but isn't what was displaying before. Maybe a mobile site glitch.dead head wrote:Don't know what you're looking at the top one says "Summer 2Ls" and the bottom says "1st Year Associates."IAFG wrote:Not totally sure what these graphs reflect? Is it 2L SAs? Both are labeled the same.
Looks like a fair number of people who summer in Atlanta are either no-offered, clerk, or otherwise decide to start their careers elsewhere.
Agree this info can't be accurate. Missing Sutherland, Kilpatrick, Troutman just to name a few of the larger firms excluded; and no way Nelson Mullins has the largest summer class in Atl.gregfootball2001 wrote:The Atlanta one seems...off, both low and high. I don't know what the numbers are for all the firms, but I'm pretty sure the 29 Nelson Mullins summer associate number is firm-wide, not in Atlanta. Could be wrong, though, so correct me if I'm off base. Also, not sure why firms like Sutherland and Kilpatrick wouldn't be on the list, just to name two off the top of my head. If accurate, it is interesting information to have.
You're right.. I pulled the data a while ago and didn't really look into certain firms' numbers in as much detail as I should have. That's what ya'll are forgregfootball2001 wrote:The Atlanta one seems...off, both low and high. I don't know what the numbers are for all the firms, but I'm pretty sure the 29 Nelson Mullins summer associate number is firm-wide, not in Atlanta. Could be wrong, though, so correct me if I'm off base. Also, not sure why firms like Sutherland and Kilpatrick wouldn't be on the list, just to name two off the top of my head. If accurate, it is interesting information to have.
eljefe1 wrote:You're right.. I pulled the data a while ago and didn't really look into certain firms' numbers in as much detail as I should have. That's what ya'll are forgregfootball2001 wrote:The Atlanta one seems...off, both low and high. I don't know what the numbers are for all the firms, but I'm pretty sure the 29 Nelson Mullins summer associate number is firm-wide, not in Atlanta. Could be wrong, though, so correct me if I'm off base. Also, not sure why firms like Sutherland and Kilpatrick wouldn't be on the list, just to name two off the top of my head. If accurate, it is interesting information to have.![]()
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Also, I'm only reporting data present on the NALP Directory of Legal Employers, so it's entirely possible that multiple large firms are missing/haven't reported to NALP.
If anyone has the numbers for those firms, feel free to PM them to me and I'll add them to the excel sheet the charts are derived from.
zweitbester wrote:So basically the website is useless. Gotcha.
For first years anyway, you can count up the firm bios. And, you know, not just be mindlessly re-hashing NALP.eljefe1 wrote:You're right.. I pulled the data a while ago and didn't really look into certain firms' numbers in as much detail as I should have. That's what ya'll are forgregfootball2001 wrote:The Atlanta one seems...off, both low and high. I don't know what the numbers are for all the firms, but I'm pretty sure the 29 Nelson Mullins summer associate number is firm-wide, not in Atlanta. Could be wrong, though, so correct me if I'm off base. Also, not sure why firms like Sutherland and Kilpatrick wouldn't be on the list, just to name two off the top of my head. If accurate, it is interesting information to have.![]()
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Also, I'm only reporting data present on the NALP Directory of Legal Employers, so it's entirely possible that multiple large firms are missing/haven't reported to NALP.
If anyone has the numbers for those firms, feel free to PM them to me and I'll add them to the excel sheet the charts are derived from.
Not all firms put first-years' bios up before they've been sworn in, and they definitely don't all put them up at the same time.IAFG wrote: For first years anyway, you can count up the firm bios. And, you know, not just be mindlessly re-hashing NALP.
Missing Wilmer, Bingham, foley hoag, Goulston, Nutter, Nixon, Holland & Knight, etc.
And yet when they have it's better than the multi office stat.dead head wrote:Not all firms put first-years' bios up before they've been sworn in, and they definitely don't all put them up at the same time.IAFG wrote: For first years anyway, you can count up the firm bios. And, you know, not just be mindlessly re-hashing NALP.
No, I wouldn't quiet say it's useless. I think it's easier to look at NALP info in one location as opposed to sifting through pages of data.zweitbester wrote:eljefe1 wrote:You're right.. I pulled the data a while ago and didn't really look into certain firms' numbers in as much detail as I should have. That's what ya'll are forgregfootball2001 wrote:The Atlanta one seems...off, both low and high. I don't know what the numbers are for all the firms, but I'm pretty sure the 29 Nelson Mullins summer associate number is firm-wide, not in Atlanta. Could be wrong, though, so correct me if I'm off base. Also, not sure why firms like Sutherland and Kilpatrick wouldn't be on the list, just to name two off the top of my head. If accurate, it is interesting information to have.![]()
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Also, I'm only reporting data present on the NALP Directory of Legal Employers, so it's entirely possible that multiple large firms are missing/haven't reported to NALP.
If anyone has the numbers for those firms, feel free to PM them to me and I'll add them to the excel sheet the charts are derived from.
So basically the website is useless. Gotcha.
IAFG wrote:For first years anyway, you can count up the firm bios. And, you know, not just be mindlessly re-hashing NALP.eljefe1 wrote:You're right.. I pulled the data a while ago and didn't really look into certain firms' numbers in as much detail as I should have. That's what ya'll are forgregfootball2001 wrote:The Atlanta one seems...off, both low and high. I don't know what the numbers are for all the firms, but I'm pretty sure the 29 Nelson Mullins summer associate number is firm-wide, not in Atlanta. Could be wrong, though, so correct me if I'm off base. Also, not sure why firms like Sutherland and Kilpatrick wouldn't be on the list, just to name two off the top of my head. If accurate, it is interesting information to have.![]()
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Also, I'm only reporting data present on the NALP Directory of Legal Employers, so it's entirely possible that multiple large firms are missing/haven't reported to NALP.
If anyone has the numbers for those firms, feel free to PM them to me and I'll add them to the excel sheet the charts are derived from.
Could become a useful tool. Isn't yet. If a thing is worth doing, it's worth doing correctly. Wonder if firms would give you accurate data if you called recruiting.eljefe1 wrote:No, I wouldn't quiet say it's useless. I think it's easier to look at NALP info in one location as opposed to sifting through pages of data.zweitbester wrote:eljefe1 wrote:You're right.. I pulled the data a while ago and didn't really look into certain firms' numbers in as much detail as I should have. That's what ya'll are forgregfootball2001 wrote:The Atlanta one seems...off, both low and high. I don't know what the numbers are for all the firms, but I'm pretty sure the 29 Nelson Mullins summer associate number is firm-wide, not in Atlanta. Could be wrong, though, so correct me if I'm off base. Also, not sure why firms like Sutherland and Kilpatrick wouldn't be on the list, just to name two off the top of my head. If accurate, it is interesting information to have.![]()
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Also, I'm only reporting data present on the NALP Directory of Legal Employers, so it's entirely possible that multiple large firms are missing/haven't reported to NALP.
If anyone has the numbers for those firms, feel free to PM them to me and I'll add them to the excel sheet the charts are derived from.
So basically the website is useless. Gotcha.
Then again, that might just be my efficiency biased personality
IAFG wrote:Well I'm not running a fucking website, am I. Jackass.
If you want to know how many first years there are at my firm, just post the wrong number and I will correct you promptly.
So you came to TLS to hock your misinformation, and then get insulted when people try to explain why it's wrong?eljefe1 wrote:IAFG wrote:Well I'm not running a fucking website, am I. Jackass.
If you want to know how many first years there are at my firm, just post the wrong number and I will correct you promptly.
Well aren't you just a charming little schizo.
Also, I wouldn't necessarily classify it a "website" in full. More accurately, it's an ongoing project that I came to TLS with in an effort to promulgate and collect more accurate data. Promptly add value to the project or exit the conversation. Thanx, B.
Well, it would have helped if you started out by saying that, rather than presenting it as a complete and accurate representation of the numbers and only backpedaling once people pointed out the errors.eljefe1 wrote:Also, I wouldn't necessarily classify it a "website" in full. More accurately, it's an ongoing project that I came to TLS with in an effort to promulgate and collect more accurate data. Promptly add value to the project or exit the conversation. Thanx, B.