I was a summer associate at Quinn this past year, got an offer, and accepted.
I'll try to deal with as much as I can and then give more general advice.
Anonymous User wrote:I have a friend who made it about 2 years and change at Quinn NYC; he said that despite actively dodging work he still ended up billing 2400 his first year, and most of his first-year colleagues were in the 2600+ range. He also told me that basically everyone he knows from his class has already jumped ship.
I don't want to call anyone out, and I don't want to give too much away, but suffice it to say that this statement seems really inaccurate. The firm actually announces, internally, which office had the highest average associate hours total, so you can back-calculate and figure out about how much everyone worked. Given what the totals for the winning office looked like in 2012 and 2011, it's really hard to believe that a majority of NY first year associates were pulling in over 2600 hours in that same time frame. It's entirely possible your friend worked 2400 hours, and I'm not going to pretend everyone was working 2100 or some other fairy tale, but suffice it to say that based on the totals at the winning office for those years, there's no way about the "most first years in NY worked 2600+" part.
NYstate wrote:Isn't Quinn also known for lean staffing and lack of support staff? I don't know the answer to this. But I've heard that you can end up doing a lot more grunt work at Quinn.
Also, is losing a way to get fired at Quinn?
I don't have experience with other firms, so it's hard to say. However, contract attorneys are brought in for first-pass document review on all the major cases, and I've never known an associate to make their own binders, so it's hard to know what "a lot more grunt work" refers to. The only complaint I heard is that a lot of litigation support is centralized in the LA office, meaning that you have to deal with a long-distance working relationship if you are in the non-LA offices, especially for "after hours" stuff. It's not that you do the grunt work, but it's definitely not as simply as wandering down the hallway.
And no, losing is not a way to get fired at Quinn. Quinn actually takes on cases that you are expected to lose. One usual scenario is: another biglaw firm has screwed up pretrial motions, the in-house counsel at the corporation have flipped their shit, and Quinn takes over the case. In such an instance, the thought is that you'll win on appeal, but probably not at trial, and you're never penalized for losing at trial.
As for a general recommendation, the best example of Quinn culture probably comes from the summer associate mock trial program. Summer associates are split into partnerships and asked to fight a mock trial, with associates and support staff playing witnesses, partners playing judges, and jurors hired from a local temp agency. Each day of the program you listen to a lecture, and participate in a workshop in order to develop trial skills (opening, closing, cross examination, etc.). At night, you work as little or as much as you want on the mock trial. It doesn't count for anything. Half the summer associates will always lose by design, just as half will always win, so no one keeps track. There are no prizes, no recognition, nothing, it just doesn't matter. Nonetheless, every single year most people will go nuts trying to win. They'll do legal research, write, and "file" dozens of fake motions in limine to exclude fake evidence from the fake trial whose outcome doesn't matter. They'll stay up all night researching and writing the things. I will personally admit to being guilty of this. Meanwhile, other people won't. They'll say this is fake, and it's not about winning, and they'll put in the minimal necessary appearances not to look unprepared and foolish.
The thing is, when you talk to the associates who have been there for a few years, they're mostly from the first group - the group staying up all night trying to win. The firm also holds mock deposition and mock trial training for associates (I don't remember exactly, but I think it's after your 2nd, 4th, and 6th years, or something like that), and the associates will readily admit that at associate mock trial training everyone stays up all night trying to win, even though it doesn't count for anything.
I can't tell you which group you'd be in. If you're in the first, Quinn is the firm for you. If you're in the second, it probably isn't.