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I heard a V15 office that had a little over 80 2L SA's gave over 70 offers to HLS students alone, is it true?

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Pearson Hardman, I'm guessing? I heard they only hire from HLS.

No that is not true. HYS might have an advantage but not like that. Also, YS have small classes so the actual number of people who get SA positions from those schools doesn't even come close to CLS and NYU.

For big firm hiring, the difference really isn't all that great. Myself and a bunch of my friends transferred from our T25, some of us to CCN, and a few to Harvard. We all ended up at comparable firms, and its not like the Harvard kids ended up with better offers than the CCN group. When describing the benefits of HYS over CCN, its usually not with regard to big firm hiring.

I didn't think there was a difference. Thanks for confirming.

Anonymous User wrote:For big firm hiring, the difference really isn't all that great. Myself and a bunch of my friends transferred from our T25, some of us to CCN, and a few to Harvard. We all ended up at comparable firms, and its not like the Harvard kids ended up with better offers than the CCN group. When describing the benefits of HYS over CCN, its usually not with regard to big firm hiring.

This is a pretty shitty example since you and your friends would be judged based on transfer school and not new school.

The impression I've gotten from TLS is that YS are clearly better but H might be a little more comparable to CCN.

dr123 wrote:Pearson Hardman, I'm guessing? I heard they only hire from HLS.

I have heard that the NY partners are not too happy with the recent merger and there are a few questions as to their stability... does anyone know more about this?

dr123 wrote:Pearson Hardman, I'm guessing? I heard they only hire from HLS.

An actual V15 litigation powerhouse.

The most significant difference is between students in the bottom halves.

TLS wisdom holds that the situation is much better for the bottom half at YS. Given the smaller class sizes and the lesser interest in big law at YS, the bottom half at those two schools will have a lot more chances.

For anecdotal evidence: I just got my FIP (i.e., OCI) schedule at Yale. I bid on 13 of the V15, and got 11 of those bids. There are a lot of lower-ranked Vault firms that haven't been able to fill their schedules - especially for offices outside DC/NY.

dr123 wrote:Pearson Hardman, I'm guessing? I heard they only hire from HLS.

Seriously... my girlfriend thought this was a real firm

Anonymous User wrote:The most significant difference is between students in the bottom halves.

TLS wisdom holds that the situation is much better for the bottom half at YS. Given the smaller class sizes and the lesser interest in big law at YS, the bottom half at those two schools will have a lot more chances.

For anecdotal evidence: I just got my FIP (i.e., OCI) schedule at Yale. I bid on 13 of the V15, and got 11 of those bids. There are a lot of lower-ranked Vault firms that haven't been able to fill their schedules - especially for offices outside DC/NY.

But the issue is how many of those firms you actually get offers from. Any jerk at a T10 school with a lottery system can get screeners with 11 out of the V15 firms.

I think the main difference is that there isn't a "bottom" of the class at Yale or Stanford the way there is at every other school. Between the small class size, the prestige, and the non-grades, you're either a star student or you're just an "okay" Yale or Stanford student, which is to say, still pretty damn qualified.

Seems like Harvard gets a broader portion of the class access to a handful of very prestige-conscious firms than CCN do. Like you probably won't get an offer at Covington or Wilmer DC if you're top 1/3 at CCN but might from HLS. Seems like if your goal is just a V100 firm or whatever, then the difference is more marginal. 75-80% of people from CCN who want big firm jobs already get them, there isn't much room to improve.

KaNa1986 wrote:I heard a V15 office that had a little over 80 2L SA's gave over 70 offers to HLS students alone, is it true?

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This might be true, but it's not as significant as you think it is. 80 2L SA spots is a fuck load more than 80 offers. It's probably 300 offers just to get 80 to accept.


In 2006, Paul Weiss gave Columbia students 79 Callbacks (of which only 56 were accepted by the student), which resulted in 48 offers. And only 10 ended up going to Paul Weiss.

Debevoise & Plimpton LLP 41 offers for 15 acceptances

I'm sure today the same thing happens. The v50's are giving a bunch of offers to people headed to V10's.

The top 25% at HLS who get 10 offers, well they gotta turn 9 down.

Desert Fox wrote:
The top 25% at HLS who get 10 offers, well they gotta turn 9 down.

Is there no change of parlaying them into two half-summers?

ArtistOfManliness wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:
The top 25% at HLS who get 10 offers, well they gotta turn 9 down.

Is there no change of parlaying them into two half-summers?

This isn't really a thing in NYC, mostly only in southern markets/Texas. In any event it isn't particularly smart to do even if you could arrange it since these firms are geared toward 8-12 week summers rather than 4-6 week ones, and so if they are looking for a reason to no-offer someone, there's probably a good chance it will be the kid who wasn't there long enough to make an impression.


Also it's Pearson Darby not Pearson Hardman, watch the show bros

2014 wrote:

ArtistOfManliness wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:
The top 25% at HLS who get 10 offers, well they gotta turn 9 down.

Is there no change of parlaying them into two half-summers?

This isn't really a thing in NYC, mostly only in southern markets/Texas. In any event it isn't particularly smart to do even if you could arrange it since these firms are geared toward 8-12 week summers rather than 4-6 week ones, and so if they are looking for a reason to no-offer someone, there's probably a good chance it will be the kid who wasn't there long enough to make an impression.


Also it's Pearson Darby not Pearson Hardman, watch the show bros

No spoiler alert?

ArtistOfManliness wrote:

2014 wrote:

ArtistOfManliness wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:
The top 25% at HLS who get 10 offers, well they gotta turn 9 down.

Is there no change of parlaying them into two half-summers?

This isn't really a thing in NYC, mostly only in southern markets/Texas. In any event it isn't particularly smart to do even if you could arrange it since these firms are geared toward 8-12 week summers rather than 4-6 week ones, and so if they are looking for a reason to no-offer someone, there's probably a good chance it will be the kid who wasn't there long enough to make an impression.


Also it's Pearson Darby not Pearson Hardman, watch the show bros

No spoiler alert?

Ah crap forgot its on tonight.

ArtistOfManliness wrote: No spoiler alert?

To be fair this is like end of season 2 stuff, I don't feel too bad.

PS Cory marries Topanga

2014 wrote:

ArtistOfManliness wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:
The top 25% at HLS who get 10 offers, well they gotta turn 9 down.

Is there no change of parlaying them into two half-summers?

This isn't really a thing in NYC, mostly only in southern markets/Texas. In any event it isn't particularly smart to do even if you could arrange it since these firms are geared toward 8-12 week summers rather than 4-6 week ones, and so if they are looking for a reason to no-offer someone, there's probably a good chance it will be the kid who wasn't there long enough to make an impression.


Also it's Pearson Darby not Pearson Hardman, watch the show bros

I've gotta disagree with the bolded. If two firms allow you to split you should. Yea, it increases the chance that either of those firms no-offers you from 1% to what, like 5%? Having two firms with a 95% chance of getting an offer at one of them is better than one firm with a 99% chance at an offer. Your overall shot at getting an offer from a firm would now be 99.75%, instead of the 99% chance if you hadn't split.

(Disclaimer: Those percentages are obviously estimated but putting an actual number in there helps to show my point.)

Greenandgold wrote:

2014 wrote:

ArtistOfManliness wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:
The top 25% at HLS who get 10 offers, well they gotta turn 9 down.

Is there no change of parlaying them into two half-summers?

This isn't really a thing in NYC, mostly only in southern markets/Texas. In any event it isn't particularly smart to do even if you could arrange it since these firms are geared toward 8-12 week summers rather than 4-6 week ones, and so if they are looking for a reason to no-offer someone, there's probably a good chance it will be the kid who wasn't there long enough to make an impression.


Also it's Pearson Darby not Pearson Hardman, watch the show bros

I've gotta disagree with the bolded. If two firms allow you to split you should. Yea, it increases the chance that either of those firms no-offers you from 1% to what, like 5%? Having two firms with a 95% chance of getting an offer at one of them is better than one firm with a 99% chance at an offer. Your overall shot at getting an offer from a firm would now be 99.75%, instead of the 99% chance if you hadn't split.

(Disclaimer: Those percentages are obviously estimated but putting an actual number in there helps to show my point.)

splitting your 2L summer (or trying to) other than to preserve a 1L position (i.e., ~4-weeks at the end) is moronic.