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Depends on how patient you are.

Not sure what that means.

echooo23 wrote:Not sure what that means.

I assume you meant patent law fair. If not you need to explain what this is. I took him using your error and,aking a joke out of it... Bt maybe I am the one out of the loop

Biglaw_Associate_V20 wrote:Depends on how patient you are.

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It certainly won't hurt. But I doubt you'll get any interviews. But a few firms don't in fact require a tech background. My school paid my registration fees for me. So no loss. You just gotta spend time figuring out which firms don't care about a tech background.

What background do you have?

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I wouldn't bother unless you live in Chicago AND your school will pay the reg fee.

Even if a firm "doesn't care" about a tech background, your chances are still next to none. I guess it couldn't hurt to do the bid stage if you want to shell out the money, but you won't find out if you got anything until uncomfortably close to the event.

Are you T14 with halfway decent grades, or a T1 with great grades?

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Probably a waste of time, but it's only 35 bucks. I'm guessing you won't get any interviews.

I don't have a tech degree, but I have somehow got a 2L SA at a primary market IP boutique. Is there any chance that I could get something through this? I obviously want an offer from my SA, but if it doesn't work out/I hate the firm/etc. I would like to have some sort of backup plan.

Desert Fox wrote:Are you T14 with halfway decent grades, or a T1 with great grades?

So a T1 with bad grades (but with a technical background) should not bother? School does not pay registration and I would have to buy airfare and hotel...

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Desert Fox wrote:Are you T14 with halfway decent grades, or a T1 with great grades?

So a T1 with bad grades (but with a technical background) should not bother? School does not pay registration and I would have to buy airfare and hotel...

Of course you should. It's probably the only way you'll get a job. You are probably shit out of luck at the big law firms, but plenty of boutiques are looking almost exclusively at your tech background.

What about strong grades but a sub 3 undergraduate engineering degree?

Anonymous User wrote:What about strong grades but a sub 3 undergraduate engineering degree?

You'll do fine but you won't clean up. I'd steer clear of prosecution, and prosecution related firms as much as you can. They usually care. I got my ass dinged at virtually every firm that found out I had a 2.8 from UG. But a lot of the firms didn't even ask since they weren't as interested.

The shitter your school is worse you'll do. I didn't have strong grades, but I had t14.

Desert Fox wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:What about strong grades but a sub 3 undergraduate engineering degree?

You'll do fine but you won't clean up. I'd steer clear of prosecution, and prosecution related firms as much as you can. They usually care. I got my ass dinged at virtually every firm that found out I had a 2.8 from UG. But a lot of the firms didn't even ask since they weren't as interested.

The shitter your school is worse you'll do. I didn't have strong grades, but I had t14.

So a T2 with strong grades and poor UGPA will have an uphill battle at the patent fair?

Anonymous User wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:What about strong grades but a sub 3 undergraduate engineering degree?

You'll do fine but you won't clean up. I'd steer clear of prosecution, and prosecution related firms as much as you can. They usually care. I got my ass dinged at virtually every firm that found out I had a 2.8 from UG. But a lot of the firms didn't even ask since they weren't as interested.

The shitter your school is worse you'll do. I didn't have strong grades, but I had t14.

So a T2 with strong grades and poor UGPA will have an uphill battle at the patent fair?

You should get a few. I ran into a couple people with a decent amount of interviews at the fair from T2's. I have no idea what their grades were, I assume excellent.

But I assume you have an uphill battle, but I don't think it's a suicide mission or anything.

Desert Fox wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:What about strong grades but a sub 3 undergraduate engineering degree?

You'll do fine but you won't clean up. I'd steer clear of prosecution, and prosecution related firms as much as you can. They usually care. I got my ass dinged at virtually every firm that found out I had a 2.8 from UG. But a lot of the firms didn't even ask since they weren't as interested.

The shitter your school is worse you'll do. I didn't have strong grades, but I had t14.

So a T2 with strong grades and poor UGPA will have an uphill battle at the patent fair?

You should get a few. I ran into a couple people with a decent amount of interviews at the fair from T2's. I have no idea what their grades were, I assume excellent.

But I assume you have an uphill battle, but I don't think it's a suicide mission or anything.

Well, instant hires wouldn't be any fun I suppose So are the firms that are there located all across the US? How does it fit in with ties? I'm from the south but I'm happy working almost anywhere. I was an army brat, so I've lived all over the states. By the way, thanks for the responses!

Most of the firms who hire 2L's and 3L's come. It's pretty great actually. I think patent definitely bucks the trend of location ties a bit. Nobody is really that worried a EE guy doesn't want to be in SV for example. But you probably don't wanna try Chicago firms or something like that.

Desert Fox wrote:Most of the firms who hire 2L's and 3L's come. It's pretty great actually. I think patent definitely bucks the trend of location ties a bit. Nobody is really that worried a EE guy doesn't want to be in SV for example. But you probably don't wanna try Chicago firms or something like that.

That sounds really great. Is this also something you can do the summer after 1L? Or is it strictly a 2L/3L service? So basically firms care about class rank, undergraduate degree and grades (sometimes)...anything else that's important? Should I take the Fundamentals of Engineering test to spruce up the resume or is that not as important?

I just registered, before I forgot. I have to be back in Chicago to move when my lease runs out Aug 1 anyway.

Anonymous User wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:Most of the firms who hire 2L's and 3L's come. It's pretty great actually. I think patent definitely bucks the trend of location ties a bit. Nobody is really that worried a EE guy doesn't want to be in SV for example. But you probably don't wanna try Chicago firms or something like that.

That sounds really great. Is this also something you can do the summer after 1L? Or is it strictly a 2L/3L service? So basically firms care about class rank, undergraduate degree and grades (sometimes)...anything else that's important? Should I take the Fundamentals of Engineering test to spruce up the resume or is that not as important?

You do it the summer after 1L, at that point you are considered a 2L. If you are a 1L now, this is it. This the best way to get your 2L SA.

If I can generalize:

Boutiques and patent prosecution heavy firms: Techbackground degree and UG GPA > Law school rank and Grades

General firms and firms who focus on litigation: Law school rank and grades > background and degree >> UG grades (they probably won't ask.

But every firm is different.

I don't think anyone cares about being a PE or anything. At least nobody asked me about it. It's vary rare to actually be asked any sort of technical question. One firm asked me (when I was a 3L) to describe how an invention worked, any invention. They seem impressed when I described a patent I worked on the summer before. But then I got dinged. So who knows.

How much of your undergraduate material are you expected to remember? Or are they specifically just looking for credentials to say "they have an engineer working on this or that" and someone with the analytical thinking that comes from engineering?

Does anyone have insight on this?

Anonymous User wrote:I don't have a tech degree, but I have somehow got a 2L SA at a primary market IP boutique. Is there any chance that I could get something through this? I obviously want an offer from my SA, but if it doesn't work out/I hate the firm/etc. I would like to have some sort of backup plan.