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I'm considering summering at Sidley Austin New York this upcoming summer. Does anyone know whether they cold offer at all?

You're already anticipating not getting a job?

That's not a good way to start out . . .

TTRansfer wrote:You're already anticipating not getting a job?

That's not a good way to start out . . .

Just trying to minimize problems should things not work out...

Every firm will at least cold-offer people they don't like.

rayiner wrote:Every firm will at least cold-offer people they don't like.

Wait, are you saying that no firm will no-offer? Is that true?

Anonymous User wrote:

rayiner wrote:Every firm will at least cold-offer people they don't like.

Wait, are you saying that no firm will no-offer? Is that true?

I didn't mean that. I meant that every firm will either no-offer or cold-offer someone they don't like, including firms that give "100% offers."

rayiner wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

rayiner wrote:Every firm will at least cold-offer people they don't like.

Wait, are you saying that no firm will no-offer? Is that true?

I didn't mean that. I meant that every firm will either no-offer or cold-offer someone they don't like, including firms that give "100% offers."

Oh okay- I saw that Sidley on its NALP forms didn't have 100% offer rates- do you think that means that they no-offer some people and cold-offer others- or that they don't do cold-offers at all?

rayiner wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

rayiner wrote:Every firm will at least cold-offer people they don't like.

Wait, are you saying that no firm will no-offer? Is that true?

I didn't mean that. I meant that every firm will either no-offer or cold-offer someone they don't like, including firms that give "100% offers."

This is false. I know a summer at my firm who got an offer and is coming back whom nobody liked, even partners. I think some firms just think it's not worth the reputational hit to cold-offer someone, particularly if that person goes to a school that they recruit heavily from.

Think about it: then that person goes back to their school and says 'my firm doesn't give 100% offers.' Next year, nobody bids on that firm. I've seen it happen. The firm might as well hire the person full-time, shuffle them out in a year or two, and avoid the recruiting problems associated with cold offers.

Anonymous User wrote:

rayiner wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

rayiner wrote:Every firm will at least cold-offer people they don't like.

Wait, are you saying that no firm will no-offer? Is that true?

I didn't mean that. I meant that every firm will either no-offer or cold-offer someone they don't like, including firms that give "100% offers."

Oh okay- I saw that Sidley on its NALP forms didn't have 100% offer rates- do you think that means that they no-offer some people and cold-offer others- or that they don't do cold-offers at all?

If they don't like you, they will either cold offer or no offer you. I'm not sure which they would do, or if they no offer some and cold offer others. The best thing to do is to not put yourself in a position to find out.

I summered at Sidley NY this year. There were no cold offers in our class -- everyone was called into a room during the last week of the program & they told us we were all getting offers (with no qualifiers as far as I know). There was apparently a cold offer the summer before us, but it was mutual, since the person decided he/she didn't want to do biglaw after all and the firm didn't want him/her to return. If you do good work & act relatively normal throughout the course of the summer, I don't think a cold offer is anything to be worried about.