Which firms have paid 1L SAs?
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 8:19 am
can we compile a list?
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This is what I did. It helps that you can click on "Recruitment/Hiring" and look at how many 1Ls they've hired for the past 3 summers.JusticeHarlan wrote:NALP lets you search for firms by whether or not they take 1Ls. That's not going to be exact, because some may say they take 1Ls but will fill up their class with 2Ls before 1Ls can apply, but it's a good place to start.
This is a really good point.bdubs wrote:You probably need to differentiate between diversity programs and regular 1L SAs
How?bdubs wrote:You probably need to differentiate between diversity programs and regular 1L SAs
One way is to assume they are all diversity spots until you have evidence to the contrary. Why would a firm hire a 1L when they can have 2L? Not meant to be snarky, it's a legit question. Oh and if you are asking around at your school for former non-diversity 1L SAs, be sure to eliminate family ties. Hard to spot and people often fail to offer this detail unsolicited.dingbat wrote:How?bdubs wrote:You probably need to differentiate between diversity programs and regular 1L SAs
(even though I'm a walking diversity statement, I do not qualify for diversity programs)
Diversity SA programs are generally broader than URM for LS admissions, so don't rule them out unless you are a straight white male.dingbat wrote:How?bdubs wrote:You probably need to differentiate between diversity programs and regular 1L SAs
(even though I'm a walking diversity statement, I do not qualify for diversity programs)
On that note, LGBT = diversity for 1L SA type stuff?bdubs wrote:Diversity SA programs are generally broader than URM for LS admissions, so don't rule them out unless you are a straight white male.dingbat wrote:How?bdubs wrote:You probably need to differentiate between diversity programs and regular 1L SAs
(even though I'm a walking diversity statement, I do not qualify for diversity programs)
Many firms have pages about diversity programs on their website, but some don't advertise them that way. I would still resume bomb all of the firms in December whether they have hired in the past or not. The marginal time spent on an extra app is small.
Yes. Female as well.indigomachine wrote: On that note, LGBT = diversity for 1L SA type stuff?
Do lesbians get double credit?bk187 wrote:Yes. Female as well.indigomachine wrote: On that note, LGBT = diversity for 1L SA type stuff?
Any chance these Atlanta or Birmingham firms hire outside the T-14 and local schools? Lets say T-30 or T-40 and strong ties to the area.Anonymous User wrote:Alston & Bird is increasing the size of its 1L class, at least in the Atlanta office. In Summer '10, Atlanta had 3, in Summer '11, they had 4, and in Summer '12, they had 5. Note that Atlanta does not have a diversity program. All of the 1Ls are hired exactly as the 2Ls are. A&B's strategy appears to be centered around the idea that 1Ls almost always return for round 2, even if they have offers from higher-ranked Vault firms. In Summers '11 and '12, 1Ls in Atlanta made $2600 a week (same as 2Ls).
And gay dudes in drag?dingbat wrote:Do lesbians get double credit?bk187 wrote:Yes. Female as well.indigomachine wrote: On that note, LGBT = diversity for 1L SA type stuff?
Re. T-30 or T-40, UGA, Georgia State, Emory, BU, Alabama, Wash U (STL), and UNC have all been represented in the A&B ATL summer class at some point in the last three summers.Anonymous User wrote:Any chance these Atlanta or Birmingham firms hire outside the T-14 and local schools? Lets say T-30 or T-40 and strong ties to the area.Anonymous User wrote:Alston & Bird is increasing the size of its 1L class, at least in the Atlanta office. In Summer '10, Atlanta had 3, in Summer '11, they had 4, and in Summer '12, they had 5. Note that Atlanta does not have a diversity program. All of the 1Ls are hired exactly as the 2Ls are. A&B's strategy appears to be centered around the idea that 1Ls almost always return for round 2, even if they have offers from higher-ranked Vault firms. In Summers '11 and '12, 1Ls in Atlanta made $2600 a week (same as 2Ls).
Thank you, the BU gives me enough info to give it a shot.Anonymous User wrote:
Re. T-30 or T-40, UGA, Georgia State, Emory, BU, Alabama, Wash U (STL), and UNC have all been represented in the A&B ATL summer class at some point in the last three summers.
This is not accurate for most of the programs I know. It depends on the firm but the majority are strictly for URMS and LGBT. Honestly, some say they look at gender and socioeconomic status but they honestly only choose people who are facially diverse (with the exception of some LGBT candidates).bk187 wrote:Yes. Female as well.indigomachine wrote: On that note, LGBT = diversity for 1L SA type stuff?
There are alot more than people know about.kwais wrote:One way is to assume they are all diversity spots until you have evidence to the contrary. Why would a firm hire a 1L when they can have 2L? Not meant to be snarky, it's a legit question. Oh and if you are asking around at your school for former non-diversity 1L SAs, be sure to eliminate family ties. Hard to spot and people often fail to offer this detail unsolicited.dingbat wrote:How?bdubs wrote:You probably need to differentiate between diversity programs and regular 1L SAs
(even though I'm a walking diversity statement, I do not qualify for diversity programs)
Asian/Indian (non-NA), from all accounts, seem to count as "diversity" for 1L SA's/SEO. I don't know about female, but I'd guess that everything under the SEO umbrella probably counts the same for 1L's. It's definitely not just admission URM's.EvilClinton wrote:This is not accurate for most of the programs I know. It depends on the firm but the majority are strictly for URMS and LGBT. Honestly, some say they look at gender and socioeconomic status but they honestly only choose people who are facially diverse (with the exception of some LGBT candidates).bk187 wrote:Yes. Female as well.indigomachine wrote: On that note, LGBT = diversity for 1L SA type stuff?
I suspect they consider asian/indian because they are facially diverse. Firms are all about having the appearance of diversity.keg411 wrote:Asian/Indian (non-NA), from all accounts, seem to count as "diversity" for 1L SA's/SEO. I don't know about female, but I'd guess that everything under the SEO umbrella probably counts the same for 1L's. It's definitely not just admission URM's.EvilClinton wrote:This is not accurate for most of the programs I know. It depends on the firm but the majority are strictly for URMS and LGBT. Honestly, some say they look at gender and socioeconomic status but they honestly only choose people who are facially diverse (with the exception of some LGBT candidates).bk187 wrote:Yes. Female as well.indigomachine wrote: On that note, LGBT = diversity for 1L SA type stuff?
Do you have actual knowledge that they are increasing the number of 1Ls? Or are you just taking the NALP data and extrapolating? Their 2L class is smaller for this summer and I have heard that they were looking to take fewer 1Ls too. Also A&B does have a diversity position for a 1L. Almost all of the big ATL firms have a diversity SA through an Atlanta Bar Association program.Anonymous User wrote:Alston & Bird is increasing the size of its 1L class, at least in the Atlanta office. In Summer '10, Atlanta had 3, in Summer '11, they had 4, and in Summer '12, they had 5. Note that Atlanta does not have a diversity program. All of the 1Ls are hired exactly as the 2Ls are. A&B's strategy appears to be centered around the idea that 1Ls almost always return for round 2, even if they have offers from higher-ranked Vault firms. In Summers '11 and '12, 1Ls in Atlanta made $2600 a week (same as 2Ls).