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For those firms that pay 80kish and hire very few people a year (2-10), is the model similar to biglaw as in you get pushed out after a few years?

It depends on the firm, but often not, attrition rates tend to be much lower and a higher percentage of associates make partner. Look at how many associates the firm has versus how many partners they have, and it should tell you something about attrition.

More specifically upstate ny firms.

badaboom61 wrote:It depends on the firm, but often not, attrition rates tend to be much lower and a higher percentage of associates make partner. Look at how many associates the firm has versus how many partners they have, and it should tell you something about attrition.

This. The only real downside (besides lower pay) is worse exit options if you happen to decide you don't like the firm/law altogether.

Anonymous User wrote:For those firms that pay 80kish and hire very few people a year (2-10), is the model similar to biglaw as in you get pushed out after a few years?

Gotta get more specific my friend. If you want to, PM me. But your question as phrased is almost impossible to answer.

anon168 wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:For those firms that pay 80kish and hire very few people a year (2-10), is the model similar to biglaw as in you get pushed out after a few years?

Gotta get more specific my friend. If you want to, PM me. But your question as phrased is almost impossible to answer.

Think like a Harter Secreast/Hodgson upstate NY

Anonymous User wrote:

anon168 wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:For those firms that pay 80kish and hire very few people a year (2-10), is the model similar to biglaw as in you get pushed out after a few years?

Gotta get more specific my friend. If you want to, PM me. But your question as phrased is almost impossible to answer.

Think like a Harter Secreast/Hodgson upstate NY

Those firms tend to make post-SA offers with the idea in mind that you will stay there for your career and become a partner (I was an SA at one of them). However, to know about a specific firm for sure, you would have to ask.

So it sounds extremely difficult to get a job at those firms.

Anonymous User wrote:So it sounds extremely difficult to get a job at those firms.

They tend to have tiny class sizes, so yes.

80k seems high for secondary mid-law but 180

dreakol wrote:80k seems high for secondary mid-law but 180

It really varies by firm. In one market I know of, there's at least one local mid-law firm I can think of that pays around 105, which is nearly what the satellites of the Vault-ranked firms pay in the same market.

I know another firm that's nearly as respected in a similar market that starts its associates at 65.

dreakol wrote:80k seems high for secondary mid-law but 180

Upstate NY firms usually pay between 70-80k