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I propose a standard for measuring the "ideal outcomes" of legal education that we can use to evaluate law schools' ABA employment data.

For the T14:

Business + Government + Public Interest + A3C


For the "good" non-T14 Teir 1:

The same, except only 1/2 of Business.


Debate.

Article III is too limiting. People who want to practice in Article I courts are surely content with their Article I clerkships. "Business" is too broad. "Government" is too broad.

doesn't "Business" include starbucks?

What about a state supreme court (or highest court) clerkship? Especially for non-T14 good T1 schools.

swimmer11 wrote:What about a state supreme court (or highest court) clerkship? Especially for non-T14 good T1 schools.

Or Delaware chancery court.

manofjustice wrote:I propose a standard for measuring the "ideal outcomes" of legal education that we can use to evaluate law schools' ABA employment data.

For the T14:

Business + Government + Public Interest + A3C


For the "good" non-T14 Teir 1:

The same, except only 1/2 of Business.


Debate.

1/2 of business is bullshit at the T14 (probably more at schools that don't have top JD/MBA's).
All of business is bullshit at non-T14's.

Business includes both contract work with a temp agency and Starbucks. Even at NU, Id say half the business jobs are bullshit. Half are JD-MBA's who go do JD-MBA things, then there are a couple of people who do PWM or whatever, and the rest are contract work or people going back to their old jobs.

rayiner wrote:All of business is bullshit at non-T14's.

False. Just ask the Dean at SMU, he loves to ramble on about this.

kalvano wrote:

rayiner wrote:All of business is bullshit at non-T14's.

False. Just ask the Dean at SMU, he loves to ramble on about this.

Elaborate? Aside from JD-MBA's and a few people getting in-house gigs, nobody I know is in a decent business position that isn't their pre-LS job. I can't imagine consulting/finance is lapping up SMU grads that don't have MBA's.

rayiner wrote:

kalvano wrote:

rayiner wrote:All of business is bullshit at non-T14's.

False. Just ask the Dean at SMU, he loves to ramble on about this.

Elaborate? Aside from JD-MBA's and a few people getting in-house gigs, nobody I know is in a decent business position that isn't their pre-LS job.

SMU places a respectable amount of people into "business" gigs. Dallas is weird, though. Lots of different businesses around.

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kalvano wrote:

rayiner wrote:

kalvano wrote:
False. Just ask the Dean at SMU, he loves to ramble on about this.

Elaborate? Aside from JD-MBA's and a few people getting in-house gigs, nobody I know is in a decent business position that isn't their pre-LS job.

SMU places a respectable amount of people into "business" gigs. Dallas is weird, though. Lots of different businesses around.

Fair enough. I don't think that's true generally though. Texas is kind of weird generally.

rayiner wrote:

kalvano wrote:

rayiner wrote:

kalvano wrote:
False. Just ask the Dean at SMU, he loves to ramble on about this.

Elaborate? Aside from JD-MBA's and a few people getting in-house gigs, nobody I know is in a decent business position that isn't their pre-LS job.

SMU places a respectable amount of people into "business" gigs. Dallas is weird, though. Lots of different businesses around.

Fair enough. I don't think that's true generally though. Texas is kind of weird generally.

I concur. Generally. And specifically.