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I don't know wtf you're talking about with semester's worth, but 3.81 was top 10% last year, too. So basically, to answer OP's question: probably if you don't get law review. Might happen with law review.Anonymous User wrote:see how their average callback gap was 3.81? and class of 2013 only had a semester's worth of grade inflation
I agree with your reasoning, but not your application. If their LOW is a 3.7, you're extremely unlikely to get the callback with a 3.7, not on a journal, not a URM. In fact, I'd say you're certain not to get one with all that against you. With the 3.5 low of Cravath, a 3.7 is substantially more likely to get you to the stage where the grades won't matter as much.Anonymous User wrote:S&C is very grade focused but once you get to the callback stage it's a 90% offer rate. So if the low for S&C is a 3.7, that gives more hope to 3.7's for a S&C job than a low of a 3.5 for Cravath etc.
True but at the callback stage you are up against a larger pool of applicants as a neutral applicant. Can be totally hit or miss if your grades are all considered equal at the CB stage leaving a larger chance of getting no offered.Arbiter213 wrote:I agree with your reasoning, but not your application. If their LOW is a 3.7, you're extremely unlikely to get the callback with a 3.7, not on a journal, not a URM. In fact, I'd say you're certain not to get one with all that against you. With the 3.5 low of Cravath, a 3.7 is substantially more likely to get you to the stage where the grades won't matter as much.Anonymous User wrote:S&C is very grade focused but once you get to the callback stage it's a 90% offer rate. So if the low for S&C is a 3.7, that gives more hope to 3.7's for a S&C job than a low of a 3.5 for Cravath etc.
Fresh Prince wrote:Jesus it's just one bid. Go for it. With those grades it's not like you won't have other offers. This discussion is dumb,
Agreed. However, I think S&C is a huge stretch outside top 10% from a lower T14. But people outperform their GPA all the time; it's worth the shot.Fresh Prince wrote:Jesus it's just one bid. Go for it. With those grades it's not like you won't have other offers. This discussion is dumb,
Their median CB was outside the top 10% at my lower T14 last year.Anonymous User wrote:Agreed. However, I think S&C is a huge stretch outside top 10% from a lower T14. But people outperform their GPA all the time; it's worth the shot.Fresh Prince wrote:Jesus it's just one bid. Go for it. With those grades it's not like you won't have other offers. This discussion is dumb,
Not really. For firms that have hard cut-offs, the low represents the cut-off. They don't "dip down" for URM. At these firms being a URM is a soft that will get you a CB if you're below the target median but above the cut-off, like having an IP background or banking work experience.Anonymous User wrote:Looking at the lowest GPA for firms is like looking at the lowest GPA of the admitted students at a law school. By that rationale, you'd all be at Yale.
Sorry, didn't mean to be anon. What I mean is this: just because one person with a 3.5 got an offer at CS&M doesn't mean everyone who had a 3.5 or over got an offer from CS&M. Focusing on that number is misleading. Some people obviously outperform their numbers because of their unique background or qualifications.Anonymous User wrote:Not really. For firms that have hard cut-offs, the low represents the cut-off. They don't "dip down" for URM. At these firms being a URM is a soft that will get you a CB if you're below the target median but above the cut-off, like having an IP background or banking work experience.Anonymous User wrote:Looking at the lowest GPA for firms is like looking at the lowest GPA of the admitted students at a law school. By that rationale, you'd all be at Yale.
I agree. Most people who get CB's will be clustered around the CB median. But looking at the low is important--it shows you how low the firm is willing to go for a killer interview, whether because of background, personality, etc.Lincoln wrote:Sorry, didn't mean to be anon. What I mean is this: just because one person with a 3.5 got an offer at CS&M doesn't mean everyone who had a 3.5 or over got an offer from CS&M. Focusing on that number is misleading. Some people obviously outperform their numbers because of their unique background or qualifications.Anonymous User wrote:Not really. For firms that have hard cut-offs, the low represents the cut-off. They don't "dip down" for URM. At these firms being a URM is a soft that will get you a CB if you're below the target median but above the cut-off, like having an IP background or banking work experience.Anonymous User wrote:Looking at the lowest GPA for firms is like looking at the lowest GPA of the admitted students at a law school. By that rationale, you'd all be at Yale.