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bk187 wrote:Bout that time, eh chaps?

I want a jerb

just tagging

What is everyone's sense of our classes' interest in markets outside of Chicago and New York?

The CA and DC market presentations weren't super well attended, but I feel like i've heard a lot of talk about interest in both. Kind of nervous about bidding them low and ending up with few interviews.

bdubs wrote:What is everyone's sense of our classes' interest in markets outside of Chicago and New York?

The CA and DC market presentations weren't super well attended, but I feel like i've heard a lot of talk about interest in both. Kind of nervous about bidding them low and ending up with few interviews.

I'm planning on Chicago/D.C. for my markets--probably 25 and 15 respectively or so. Not entirely sure yet though. I have a CSO meeting this Friday to figure this shit out.

bdubs wrote:What is everyone's sense of our classes' interest in markets outside of Chicago and New York?

The CA and DC market presentations weren't super well attended, but I feel like i've heard a lot of talk about interest in both. Kind of nervous about bidding them low and ending up with few interviews.

Looking at the data, 22% of the 1L class come from the West Coast, last year it was 28%. That may suggest it is slightly less competitive for CA.

What's everyone sense, bids after 15 in Chicago...pointless or just a crap shoot. Oh and someone explain why you have to bid K&E top 3 to get a spot when they're doing 160 interviews...doesn't make sense to me

homestyle28 wrote:What's everyone sense, bids after 15 in Chicago...pointless or just a crap shoot. Oh and someone explain why you have to bid K&E top 3 to get a spot when they're doing 160 interviews...doesn't make sense to me

They're ridiculously popular. Though I think last year they had only 80 interviews.

bk187 wrote:Bout that time, eh chaps?

Righto.

(Sorry, I don't even go to NU, but I couldn't resist)

Will be observing with interest.

The DC presentation had only like, 15 people there, tops.

But: I was told that only 15 people ended up in DC last year? That seems low.

VulcanVulcanVulcan wrote:The DC presentation had only like, 15 people there, tops.

But: I was told that only 15 people ended up in DC last year? That seems low.

Sounds right.

Also can someone tell me how to interpret the OCI/GPA data on Symplicity? All of the medians seemed REALLY high.

VulcanVulcanVulcan wrote:Also can someone tell me how to interpret the OCI/GPA data on Symplicity? All of the medians seemed REALLY high.

I've been told a couple of things re GPA #'s:
1) remember that the same high GPA law review kids get called back to a lot of places, but can only accept 1 offer.
2) It's median so roughly half the CB's were below the median.
3) For most firms you can probably subtract .1 from the median for the accepted offer #.

FWIW on the more grade competitve firms I'm focusing on the lower number to see how I might stack up...Alas it still elimiates a few firms (Grippo, Barack, etc.)

What are the early indications on OCI 2012 over OCI 2011 over at NU? More firms comming? Lower median cutoffs? Have firms given any indication if they are raising their average summer class sizes from 2011?

manofjustice wrote:What are the early indications on OCI 2012 over OCI 2011 over at NU? More firms comming? Lower median cutoffs? Have firms given any indication if they are raising their average summer class sizes from 2011?

I'm not sure about overall number of firms...the GPA #'s look looser from 2010 to 2011 and most expect a small, but generally positive trend. A number of firms (but by no means all) have indicated on their NALP forms that they intend to hire a bigger class this summer. I suspect and am hoping for year slightly better than last, at least in Chicago where I'm targeting.

What should we be making of the less objective info out there at this point (thinking the reptuation stuff based on ATL's Career Center, Chambers, etc.)? Is that really worth weigthing very much in constructing a bid list, or more relevant after you have interviews, CBs, offers?

I guess I'm wondering how much to value "I'd like to work there" relative to "they hire a lot of people at my #'s so I think I can get that job"

Halp!?

homestyle28 wrote:What should we be making of the less objective info out there at this point (thinking the reptuation stuff based on ATL's Career Center, Chambers, etc.)? Is that really worth weigthing very much in constructing a bid list, or more relevant after you have interviews, CBs, offers?

I guess I'm wondering how much to value "I'd like to work there" relative to "they hire a lot of people at my #'s so I think I can get that job"

Halp!?

Reputation stuff on ATL's Career Center, Chambers, etc, comes in when you're deciding amongst offers, not when you're bidding.

homestyle28 wrote:

manofjustice wrote:What are the early indications on OCI 2012 over OCI 2011 over at NU? More firms comming? Lower median cutoffs? Have firms given any indication if they are raising their average summer class sizes from 2011?

I'm not sure about overall number of firms...the GPA #'s look looser from 2010 to 2011 and most expect a small, but generally positive trend. A number of firms (but by no means all) have indicated on their NALP forms that they intend to hire a bigger class this summer. I suspect and am hoping for year slightly better than last, at least in Chicago where I'm targeting.

I wouldn't look for Chicago to expand hiring all that much. Chicago is one of the most conservative cities regarding hiring and the firms move very slowly to expand hiring. People indicated that they expected an uptick in Chicago hiring last year, but I don't think it was as significant as some in career services were expecting.

D-hops wrote:

homestyle28 wrote:

manofjustice wrote:What are the early indications on OCI 2012 over OCI 2011 over at NU? More firms comming? Lower median cutoffs? Have firms given any indication if they are raising their average summer class sizes from 2011?

I'm not sure about overall number of firms...the GPA #'s look looser from 2010 to 2011 and most expect a small, but generally positive trend. A number of firms (but by no means all) have indicated on their NALP forms that they intend to hire a bigger class this summer. I suspect and am hoping for year slightly better than last, at least in Chicago where I'm targeting.

I wouldn't look for Chicago to expand hiring all that much. Chicago is one of the most conservative cities regarding hiring and the firms move very slowly to expand hiring. People indicated that they expected an uptick in Chicago hiring last year, but I don't think it was as significant as some in career services were expecting.

I'd be surprised if there was a non-insignificant uptick in Chicago class sizes. I doubt they're not going to shrink, but I'd expect class sizes to be about the same.

Flips88 wrote:I'm planning on Chicago/D.C. for my markets--probably 25 and 15 respectively or so. Not entirely sure yet though. I have a CSO meeting this Friday to figure this shit out.

I'm planning CA/Chi. I should probably talk to the CSO on the phone or something.

Should I be waiting for law journal notifications to mass mail firms?

VulcanVulcanVulcan wrote:Should I be waiting for law journal notifications to mass mail firms?

Might as well. I don't think there's much value to mass mailing now as opposed to roughly 5 weeks from now (when we should get journal results). Rising 3Ls/grads feel free to correct me though.

Anyone have a good sense of what a realistic/conservative bid list looks like? If I know my grades make Sidley/K&E/Mayer loooooong shots am I better off to eliminate them entirely, despite their large classes? Esp since I'm not in a position to sell any of these firms as a "this has always been my dream" kind of places.

I don't want to end up with a bid list that's unrealistic or wasteful!

homestyle28 wrote:

VulcanVulcanVulcan wrote:Also can someone tell me how to interpret the OCI/GPA data on Symplicity? All of the medians seemed REALLY high.

I've been told a couple of things re GPA #'s:
1) remember that the same high GPA law review kids get called back to a lot of places, but can only accept 1 offer.
2) It's median so roughly half the CB's were below the median.
3) For most firms you can probably subtract .1 from the median for the accepted offer #.

FWIW on the more grade competitve firms I'm focusing on the lower number to see how I might stack up...Alas it still elimiates a few firms (Grippo, Barack, etc.)

I'm not at NU but is this reasoning similar to other schools? Subtracting .1 from the CB for offers seems kind of ludicrous though.