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Another background check question
So, I received an offer from a firm that says "upon clearance of background checks." I have a misdemeanor on my history from 2004 for shoplifting (basically I was with a kid who pocketed something from a Walmart, and we both got "arrested" by security). It was dismissed after I took a class (sort of like traffic school). Anyway, should I be worried? It was a long time ago, and dismissed, so I'm not sure if I should mention it now (or wait until they ask).
I'm sure I'm being paranoid, but I'm worried it will get my offer rescinded. Thanks for any help.
I'm sure I'm being paranoid, but I'm worried it will get my offer rescinded. Thanks for any help.
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If you ever lied about it, on their job app, the LSAC, FAFSA, or your law school app, that would probably be an autoding. If they ask about it or ask a question that could be construed as asking about it "were you ever found guilty of a crime?" you should admit it (and drop any attitude about the seriousness of the arrest) and explain you were immature at the time and have since learned the error of your ways. Otherwise you should be fine.Anonymous User wrote:So, I received an offer from a firm that says "upon clearance of background checks." I have a misdemeanor on my history from 2004 for shoplifting (basically I was with a kid who pocketed something from a Walmart, and we both got "arrested" by security). It was dismissed after I took a class (sort of like traffic school). Anyway, should I be worried? It was a long time ago, and dismissed, so I'm not sure if I should mention it now (or wait until they ask).
I'm sure I'm being paranoid, but I'm worried it will get my offer rescinded. Thanks for any help.
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Thanks for the info. No lying anywhere- it just hasn't come up, since I just received the offer.Anonymous User wrote:If you ever lied about it, on their job app, the LSAC, FAFSA, or your law school app, that would probably be an autoding. If they ask about it or ask a question that could be construed as asking about it "were you ever found guilty of a crime?" you should admit it (and drop any attitude about the seriousness of the arrest) and explain you were immature at the time and have since learned the error of your ways. Otherwise you should be fine.Anonymous User wrote:So, I received an offer from a firm that says "upon clearance of background checks." I have a misdemeanor on my history from 2004 for shoplifting (basically I was with a kid who pocketed something from a Walmart, and we both got "arrested" by security). It was dismissed after I took a class (sort of like traffic school). Anyway, should I be worried? It was a long time ago, and dismissed, so I'm not sure if I should mention it now (or wait until they ask).
I'm sure I'm being paranoid, but I'm worried it will get my offer rescinded. Thanks for any help.
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This is ridiculous, a law firm isn't going to ask LSAC and your law school (or any of those other places) for any application material, and they wouldn't turn it over to them even if they did ask.Anonymous User wrote: If you ever lied about it, on their job app, the LSAC, FAFSA, or your law school app, that would probably be an autoding. If they ask about it or ask a question that could be construed as asking about it "were you ever found guilty of a crime?" you should admit it (and drop any attitude about the seriousness of the arrest) and explain you were immature at the time and have since learned the error of your ways. Otherwise you should be fine.
Just don't lie about it to the firm, or try to downplay it too much (in your explanation it sounds like you're doing the "it wasn't my fault" thing). They'll probably ask you about it, and just tell them what happened--I highly doubt it's enough to get you dinged. I'm not sure if you should preemptively bring it up to them or not.
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Was the charge expunged after you took a class? I know some diversion programs do that so perhaps it won't even appear on a background check.
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Not OP but related question: I got a stupid underage drinking charge in college. Pretrial diversion program allowed me to avoid a conviction. A firm employment questionnaire asked "Have you ever been convicted of a crime?" My gut is to answer no since there was no conviction but I'm concerned about appearing shady if the dismissal/charge were to appear on a background check. Thoughts?
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OP here. Not expunged, unfortunately. It's still there (I can see it on Westlaw), although again, it does say it was dismissed. I was never convicted of anything.Anonymous User wrote:Was the charge expunged after you took a class? I know some diversion programs do that so perhaps it won't even appear on a background check.
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OP, any thoughts on how you would have checked the box in your situation? I feel like I'm overstressing this so any thoughts would be helpful.Anonymous User wrote:Not OP but related question: I got a stupid underage drinking charge in college. Pretrial diversion program allowed me to avoid a conviction. A firm employment questionnaire asked "Have you ever been convicted of a crime?" My gut is to answer no since there was no conviction but I'm concerned about appearing shady if the dismissal/charge were to appear on a background check. Thoughts?
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Bump- anybody?Anonymous User wrote:Not OP but related question: I got a stupid underage drinking charge in college. Pretrial diversion program allowed me to avoid a conviction. A firm employment questionnaire asked "Have you ever been convicted of a crime?" My gut is to answer no since there was no conviction and I don't want to disclose something negative unnecessarily but I'm concerned about appearing shady if the dismissal/charge were to appear on a background check. Thoughts?
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How could this not come up on your law school application?Anonymous User wrote:Thanks for the info. No lying anywhere- it just hasn't come up, since I just received the offer.Anonymous User wrote:If you ever lied about it, on their job app, the LSAC, FAFSA, or your law school app, that would probably be an autoding. If they ask about it or ask a question that could be construed as asking about it "were you ever found guilty of a crime?" you should admit it (and drop any attitude about the seriousness of the arrest) and explain you were immature at the time and have since learned the error of your ways. Otherwise you should be fine.Anonymous User wrote:So, I received an offer from a firm that says "upon clearance of background checks." I have a misdemeanor on my history from 2004 for shoplifting (basically I was with a kid who pocketed something from a Walmart, and we both got "arrested" by security). It was dismissed after I took a class (sort of like traffic school). Anyway, should I be worried? It was a long time ago, and dismissed, so I'm not sure if I should mention it now (or wait until they ask).
I'm sure I'm being paranoid, but I'm worried it will get my offer rescinded. Thanks for any help.
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Remember, it happened to you, so when you read the Westlaw screen, you know exactly what it means. Now put some 20-something HR person with a list 100 people in front of them doing background checks. You checked "no" and when they put your name in the system, they see something. Maybe they understand it and move on. Maybe they don't and ding you. You get the same rejection/no offer and never know why. Do you really want to trust their attention to detail?Anonymous User wrote:Bump- anybody?Anonymous User wrote:Not OP but related question: I got a stupid underage drinking charge in college. Pretrial diversion program allowed me to avoid a conviction. A firm employment questionnaire asked "Have you ever been convicted of a crime?" My gut is to answer no since there was no conviction and I don't want to disclose something negative unnecessarily but I'm concerned about appearing shady if the dismissal/charge were to appear on a background check. Thoughts?
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Sounds like you answered your own question. Even if it turns up on a background check (which it might if there is a booking record), you were not "convicted" of anything and so they won't interpret it as you lying.Anonymous User wrote:Pretrial diversion program allowed me to avoid a conviction. A firm employment questionnaire asked "Have you ever been convicted of a crime?"
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Anonymous User wrote:OP, any thoughts on how you would have checked the box in your situation? I feel like I'm overstressing this so any thoughts would be helpful.Anonymous User wrote:Not OP but related question: I got a stupid underage drinking charge in college. Pretrial diversion program allowed me to avoid a conviction. A firm employment questionnaire asked "Have you ever been convicted of a crime?" My gut is to answer no since there was no conviction but I'm concerned about appearing shady if the dismissal/charge were to appear on a background check. Thoughts?
OP here.Anonymous User wrote:How could this not come up on your law school application?
To answer both of these, when I was asked if I had ever been convicted of a crime (on the application procedure for law school), I answered truthfully that no I had not. I really wasn't trying to parse anything, it's a simple yes or no question and I gave my honest answer.
To Anon #1, I'm in no way telling you to do this or not to do it, but know that it's what I did and it worked out for me, at least for my law school application.
FWIW I also externed in a district court this summer and passed their background check, and I worked in public schools before that and passed their background check no problem.
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I've worked in biglaw at several places and I have an expunged DUI. I have always taken the time to tell an HR person about what happened, my recalcitrance, and then asked if I should report it or not. I have always been praised for my disclosure and told that it didn't matter. I can't see your issue being regarded more despairingly then my DUI.Anonymous User wrote:Not OP but related question: I got a stupid underage drinking charge in college. Pretrial diversion program allowed me to avoid a conviction. A firm employment questionnaire asked "Have you ever been convicted of a crime?" My gut is to answer no since there was no conviction but I'm concerned about appearing shady if the dismissal/charge were to appear on a background check. Thoughts?
To clarify: I was never convicted. I pled no contest and completed an ADR program and therapy that wiped the charge.
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You can view your record on westlaw?Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Not expunged, unfortunately. It's still there (I can see it on Westlaw), although again, it does say it was dismissed. I was never convicted of anything.Anonymous User wrote:Was the charge expunged after you took a class? I know some diversion programs do that so perhaps it won't even appear on a background check.
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Yup. I just searched for myself.deebs wrote:You can view your record on westlaw?Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Not expunged, unfortunately. It's still there (I can see it on Westlaw), although again, it does say it was dismissed. I was never convicted of anything.Anonymous User wrote:Was the charge expunged after you took a class? I know some diversion programs do that so perhaps it won't even appear on a background check.
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Where do I go? I don't know if my subscription has access - trying to use peoplemap?Anonymous User wrote:Yup. I just searched for myself.deebs wrote:You can view your record on westlaw?Anonymous User wrote:OP here. Not expunged, unfortunately. It's still there (I can see it on Westlaw), although again, it does say it was dismissed. I was never convicted of anything.Anonymous User wrote:Was the charge expunged after you took a class? I know some diversion programs do that so perhaps it won't even appear on a background check.
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I don't remember specifically how I did it, but I just looked under my state, and looked my name up from there. If you have access through your law school you should be able to do it.deebs wrote:Where do I go? I don't know if my subscription has access - trying to use peoplemap?
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Westlaw only has criminal records for like 15 states.
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lexis has crim records for all
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Click the "coverage" button and you'll see this is wrong.dood wrote:lexis has crim records for all
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The only people who don't know the difference between convictions and charges are TLSers. For some reason, the distinction does not allude the rest of the adult world. My less sarcastic point, however, is that the background checks are done by background check companies, not some idiot in HR.Anonymous User wrote:Remember, it happened to you, so when you read the Westlaw screen, you know exactly what it means. Now put some 20-something HR person with a list 100 people in front of them doing background checks. You checked "no" and when they put your name in the system, they see something. Maybe they understand it and move on. Maybe they don't and ding you. You get the same rejection/no offer and never know why. Do you really want to trust their attention to detail?Anonymous User wrote:Bump- anybody?Anonymous User wrote:Not OP but related question: I got a stupid underage drinking charge in college. Pretrial diversion program allowed me to avoid a conviction. A firm employment questionnaire asked "Have you ever been convicted of a crime?" My gut is to answer no since there was no conviction and I don't want to disclose something negative unnecessarily but I'm concerned about appearing shady if the dismissal/charge were to appear on a background check. Thoughts?
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