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What are the other commitments? September 13 is very late for NYC/DC/Chicago. My whole OCI process was over just a bit after that last year.Anonymous User wrote:I had scheduling conflicts that made it so I could not schedule a callback until the September 13th due to the location of the office and some other commitments I have. I have started worrying that this is too late and will hurt my chances for a SA offer. I understand some firms are rolling, and if that is the case, do you think the date of this interview will really hurt my chances, have some impact, or what?
I spoke to a bunch of NY recruiting people and they said they do CB's well into October and that mid to late September isn't at all late given how drawn-out the process is and how many people they have to slot in. I wouldn't worry at all about having a mid-September date.rayiner wrote:What are the other commitments? September 13 is very late for NYC/DC/Chicago. My whole OCI process was over just a bit after that last year.Anonymous User wrote:I had scheduling conflicts that made it so I could not schedule a callback until the September 13th due to the location of the office and some other commitments I have. I have started worrying that this is too late and will hurt my chances for a SA offer. I understand some firms are rolling, and if that is the case, do you think the date of this interview will really hurt my chances, have some impact, or what?
Ditto. I know of a girl who couldn't do any callbacks until mid-October last year and ended up with a job. I suspect it hurts a little bit though in a rolling-admission process.Anonymous User wrote:I spoke to a bunch of NY recruiting people and they said they do CB's well into October and that mid to late September isn't at all late given how drawn-out the process is and how many people they have to slot in. I wouldn't worry at all about having a mid-September date.rayiner wrote:What are the other commitments? September 13 is very late for NYC/DC/Chicago. My whole OCI process was over just a bit after that last year.Anonymous User wrote:I had scheduling conflicts that made it so I could not schedule a callback until the September 13th due to the location of the office and some other commitments I have. I have started worrying that this is too late and will hurt my chances for a SA offer. I understand some firms are rolling, and if that is the case, do you think the date of this interview will really hurt my chances, have some impact, or what?
No one suggested its a good idea to schedule that late. We're just saying that, should this be the only timeframe available, you shouldn't feel like you have no chance.f7u12 wrote:I wouldn't worry about it too much, but earlier is always better. Just because a firm does CBs well into October doesn't mean that it's a good idea to schedule a callback then. If they get an unexpected number of acceptances from schools with early OCIs, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage.Anonymous User wrote:I spoke to a bunch of NY recruiting people and they said they do CB's well into October and that mid to late September isn't at all late given how drawn-out the process is and how many people they have to slot in. I wouldn't worry at all about having a mid-September date.rayiner wrote:What are the other commitments? September 13 is very late for NYC/DC/Chicago. My whole OCI process was over just a bit after that last year.Anonymous User wrote:I had scheduling conflicts that made it so I could not schedule a callback until the September 13th due to the location of the office and some other commitments I have. I have started worrying that this is too late and will hurt my chances for a SA offer. I understand some firms are rolling, and if that is the case, do you think the date of this interview will really hurt my chances, have some impact, or what?
Doesn't mean it's a good idea.quakeroats wrote: Ditto. I know of a girl who couldn't do any callbacks until mid-October last year and ended up with a job.
Serenity Prayer wrote: Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
I spoke to a hiring partner who noted that for 2010 summer, a bunch of Harvard people missed out on offers because they weren't available for callbacks until late September.quakeroats wrote:Ditto. I know of a girl who couldn't do any callbacks until mid-October last year and ended up with a job. I suspect it hurts a little bit though in a rolling-admission process.Anonymous User wrote:I spoke to a bunch of NY recruiting people and they said they do CB's well into October and that mid to late September isn't at all late given how drawn-out the process is and how many people they have to slot in. I wouldn't worry at all about having a mid-September date.rayiner wrote:What are the other commitments? September 13 is very late for NYC/DC/Chicago. My whole OCI process was over just a bit after that last year.Anonymous User wrote:I had scheduling conflicts that made it so I could not schedule a callback until the September 13th due to the location of the office and some other commitments I have. I have started worrying that this is too late and will hurt my chances for a SA offer. I understand some firms are rolling, and if that is the case, do you think the date of this interview will really hurt my chances, have some impact, or what?
Moreover, law students often delay callbacks for retarded things. Like class. I'm curious what OP's scheduling conflicts are.f7u12 wrote:OP asked whether scheduling could hurt or impact his chances.Anonymous User wrote: No one suggested its a good idea to schedule that late. We're just saying that, should this be the only timeframe available, you shouldn't feel like you have no chance.
TCRUnitas wrote:Serenity Prayer wrote: Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
f7u12 wrote:I spoke to a hiring partner who noted that for 2010 summer, a bunch of Harvard people missed out on offers because they weren't available for callbacks until late September.
It's a little early in your career for that.Grizz wrote:TCRUnitas wrote:Serenity Prayer wrote: Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.
If secondary market, I wouldn't worry much. Alston Atlanta's callback season started early September last year so mid September isn't that late.Anonymous User wrote:OP here: the callback is a cross-country trip, and I have a tripped planned for this weekend/early next week. I should have scheduled this callback for this week (before my weekend trip), but I didn't. It's a secondary market, think Dallas/ATL/Miami.
Yup. Recruiting people I talked to at one big NYC firm noted that NALP's shortening of the offer timeline to 28 days has caused them to substantially compress the callback process. As such they were trying to get the bulk of offers out in the first half of September.snailio wrote:This is really firm specific...
f7u12 wrote:I spoke to a hiring partner who noted that for 2010 summer, a bunch of Harvard people missed out on offers because they weren't available for callbacks until late September.
I think Harvard changed their EIP schedule this year to help ameliorate this problem.
Or perhaps they will make offers conservatively and "hold" some borderline candidates rather than making hasty offers. You never know what a firm's strategy will be. But I'd imagine that they have been doing this for a long time and in a very structured way. One year isn't going to be that substantially different from the next (aside from the worst of the recession year), so I don't think they would interview into November if there was a chance they would be wrapping things up in September.f7u12 wrote:Even if a firm purposely staggers offers to leave room for qualified candidates who interview later in the process, there's always a chance that they will incorrectly estimate yield to the detriment of people with late interviews.Anonymous User wrote:Just spoke with an NY recruiting person. She said her firm does callbacks into November (since they do so many) and that people who interview at the end aren't at a disadvantage since they stagger offers to account for the "waves" of interviews (i.e. they would never give too many offers too early since they want to get the best students out of each wave, not just the best students of those who have early callbacks)
It is not uncommon for firms to run out of slots for folks who interview too late. I interviewed early (all callbacks done by mid-September) and more than one recruiter told me that in the previous year they had run into that situation.f7u12 wrote:I qualified my comment for a reason, but yield can change drastically from year-to-year at firms that aren't typically people's first choices, especially ITE.Anonymous User wrote:Or perhaps they will make offers conservatively and "hold" some borderline candidates rather than making hasty offers. You never know what a firm's strategy will be. But I'd imagine that they have been doing this for a long time and in a very structured way. One year isn't going to be that substantially different from the next (aside from the worst of the recession year), so I don't think they would interview into November if there was a chance they would be wrapping things up in September.f7u12 wrote: Even if a firm purposely staggers offers to leave room for qualified candidates who interview later in the process, there's always a chance that they will incorrectly estimate yield to the detriment of people with late interviews.
I'd imagine that, at a few firms, they miscalculate yield or mishandle their offer rate in some way. I could certainly see the last few kids getting screwed toward the very end of the process. But I can't imagine a firm so wildly miscalculating and mishandling the situation as to fill all slots in September or even October, when the firm claims to be doing callbacks as late as Thanksgiving.rayiner wrote:It is not uncommon for firms to run out of slots for folks who interview too late. I interviewed early (all callbacks done by mid-September) and more than one recruiter told me that in the previous year they had run into that situation.f7u12 wrote:I qualified my comment for a reason, but yield can change drastically from year-to-year at firms that aren't typically people's first choices, especially ITE.Anonymous User wrote:Or perhaps they will make offers conservatively and "hold" some borderline candidates rather than making hasty offers. You never know what a firm's strategy will be. But I'd imagine that they have been doing this for a long time and in a very structured way. One year isn't going to be that substantially different from the next (aside from the worst of the recession year), so I don't think they would interview into November if there was a chance they would be wrapping things up in September.f7u12 wrote: Even if a firm purposely staggers offers to leave room for qualified candidates who interview later in the process, there's always a chance that they will incorrectly estimate yield to the detriment of people with late interviews.