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crossingforHYS wrote:step one: family with money and connection to pay for your job (if in government)
step two: make and keep connections.

shoeshine wrote:In America, you break law.
In Soviet Russia, law break you!

-Yakov Smirnoff

crossingforHYS wrote:

shoeshine wrote:In America, you break law.
In Soviet Russia, law break you!

-Yakov Smirnoff

SOOOO true--- I have family....and my uncle pays the gov. money to keep his son a prosecutor b/c the government gets sooo much money under the table.

it is about 100,000 to the government to win a trial against you. Plus 100,000 for every appeal....and that is in dollars.

TheFutureLawyer wrote:

crossingforHYS wrote:

shoeshine wrote:In America, you break law.
In Soviet Russia, law break you!

-Yakov Smirnoff

SOOOO true--- I have family....and my uncle pays the gov. money to keep his son a prosecutor b/c the government gets sooo much money under the table.

it is about 100,000 to the government to win a trial against you. Plus 100,000 for every appeal....and that is in dollars.

This is very off topic, but just the talk of corruption reminds me of "The White Tiger." I'm only on chapter 4, but it's already one of my favorite books ever. It's very dark humor, and the people in the book (set in India) seem to admire the corruption of those who are supposed to be helping them. They kind of view it as being entrepreneurial. Really funny shit.

TheFutureLawyer wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Magnitsky

http://russian-untouchables.com/eng/201 ... nightmare/

Anyone else remember this? As bad as real democracies can be, pseudo-democracies are way worse.

edit: the tldnr version: tax lawyer unravels massive criminal activities by the state and is kept in jail without trial until he dies a few days before he's meant to be released (just under a year). of course human rights lawyers are even more used to this kind of shit.

edit: forgot about how he died (watching the zakaria interview again). In prison (which really is not a very nice time in russia), the prison doctors told him he had pancreatitis and some other stuff for which he needed a simple surgery so he wouldn't die. He was refused the surgery and he died.

also, in case you would think that President Medvedev would make sure that at least one person was at least made into a scapegoat, you'd be wrong.

in summary, unless you are a russian wanting to go back home as a human rights lawyer because you love your country, why would you want to work there? (unless you have an in and can make shit tons of money through corruption)

s1m4 wrote: It is not so much my goal to work in Russia, as much as simply to live in Russia, with the option of returning to live/work in the USA. And not simply Russia, but specifically Moscow or St. Petersburg. I am not interested in moving anywhere else besides these cities. So finding a law firm there would be a means to an end. As for the corruption, yes, there are numerous stories like the ones you mentioned, but there is a lot to any country outside of politics, including personal attachments, which can outweigh many of the negatives. You should vacation there)

TheFutureLawyer wrote:

s1m4 wrote: It is not so much my goal to work in Russia, as much as simply to live in Russia, with the option of returning to live/work in the USA. And not simply Russia, but specifically Moscow or St. Petersburg. I am not interested in moving anywhere else besides these cities. So finding a law firm there would be a means to an end. As for the corruption, yes, there are numerous stories like the ones you mentioned, but there is a lot to any country outside of politics, including personal attachments, which can outweigh many of the negatives. You should vacation there)

I guess if you actually want to live by your family, though personally I can't wait to live far away enough that I'll only have to see them a few times a year.

You don't really care about actually working in Russia? I assume someone else will be paying your bills?

Of course there is more to a county than politics, but who the fuck cares about any of that shit?

Also, big difference between vacationing and living.

s1m4 wrote:

TheFutureLawyer wrote:

s1m4 wrote: It is not so much my goal to work in Russia, as much as simply to live in Russia, with the option of returning to live/work in the USA. And not simply Russia, but specifically Moscow or St. Petersburg. I am not interested in moving anywhere else besides these cities. So finding a law firm there would be a means to an end. As for the corruption, yes, there are numerous stories like the ones you mentioned, but there is a lot to any country outside of politics, including personal attachments, which can outweigh many of the negatives. You should vacation there)

I guess if you actually want to live by your family, though personally I can't wait to live far away enough that I'll only have to see them a few times a year.

You don't really care about actually working in Russia? I assume someone else will be paying your bills?

Of course there is more to a county than politics, but who the fuck cares about any of that shit?

Also, big difference between vacationing and living.

The whole point of my post is finding good job to pay for my own bills :-/

TheFutureLawyer wrote:

s1m4 wrote:

TheFutureLawyer wrote:

s1m4 wrote: It is not so much my goal to work in Russia, as much as simply to live in Russia, with the option of returning to live/work in the USA. And not simply Russia, but specifically Moscow or St. Petersburg. I am not interested in moving anywhere else besides these cities. So finding a law firm there would be a means to an end. As for the corruption, yes, there are numerous stories like the ones you mentioned, but there is a lot to any country outside of politics, including personal attachments, which can outweigh many of the negatives. You should vacation there)

I guess if you actually want to live by your family, though personally I can't wait to live far away enough that I'll only have to see them a few times a year.

You don't really care about actually working in Russia? I assume someone else will be paying your bills?

Of course there is more to a county than politics, but who the fuck cares about any of that shit?

Also, big difference between vacationing and living.

The whole point of my post is finding good job to pay for my own bills :-/

s1m4 wrote: I would love to live there, but I would need to support myself completely. I also do not want to sever ties with the US and would like to leave the option of moving back open. I want to work as a lawyer. I would not be able to ever work as a lawyer in the US with a Russian law degree. I would like to have the option of working in Russia or America. = American J.D.

TheFutureLawyer wrote:

s1m4 wrote: I would love to live there, but I would need to support myself completely. I also do not want to sever ties with the US and would like to leave the option of moving back open. I want to work as a lawyer. I would not be able to ever work as a lawyer in the US with a Russian law degree. I would like to have the option of working in Russia or America. = American J.D.

You are very confusing you know.

Why is underlined a problem? Didn't you say you're going to a t30 US law school?

s1m4 wrote:

TheFutureLawyer wrote:

s1m4 wrote: I would love to live there, but I would need to support myself completely. I also do not want to sever ties with the US and would like to leave the option of moving back open. I want to work as a lawyer. I would not be able to ever work as a lawyer in the US with a Russian law degree. I would like to have the option of working in Russia or America. = American J.D.

You are very confusing you know.

Why is underlined a problem? Didn't you say you're going to a t30 US law school?

If I could get a good job in the US with a Russian law degree, I would attend law school in Russia.

TheFutureLawyer wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Magnitsky

http://russian-untouchables.com/eng/201 ... nightmare/

Anyone else remember this? As bad as real democracies can be, pseudo-democracies are way worse.

edit: the tldnr version: tax lawyer unravels massive criminal activities by the state and is kept in jail without trial until he dies a few days before he's meant to be released (just under a year). of course human rights lawyers are even more used to this kind of shit.

edit: forgot about how he died (watching the zakaria interview again). In prison (which really is not a very nice time in russia), the prison doctors told him he had pancreatitis and some other stuff for which he needed a simple surgery so he wouldn't die. He was refused the surgery and he died.

also, in case you would think that President Medvedev would make sure that at least one person was at least made into a scapegoat, you'd be wrong.

in summary, unless you are a russian wanting to go back home as a human rights lawyer because you love your country, why would you want to work there? (unless you have an in and can make shit tons of money through corruption)