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Loving this news that Pepper Hamilton is adopting more case based interviews, similar to how finance and consulting firms vet their candidates.

Seems to be a boon to well-adjusted law students and those with substantial work experience.

Any 2Ls/3Ls taking part? Would be curious a) details about the process (anecdotally), b) whether candidates felt this was an effective legal interviewing technique, and c) blind speculation as to whether other firms will adopt this rigorous standard.

I like the idea. I'd rather be questioned about my writing sample and asked to defend it than be judged based on how well I converse about sports.

kalvano wrote:I like the idea. I'd rather be questioned about my writing sample and asked to defend it than be judged based on how well I converse about sports.

Eh, I dunno, I guess it's all a matter of preference, but I wonder if this approach will catch-on. I prefer the old way and don't think this approach will become the norm. I also doubt that any interviewer will judge a candidate based upon how well he/she can converse in sports. Sports convos in interviews are actually pretty common but usually as an icebreaker/parting chatter--not as a variable for assessment.

If you're given a CB, then you've probably met a firm benchmark for success (e.g. credentials and the "stamp of approval" by your screening interviewer). At that point, the consensus seems to be that interviewers want to see if they'd be able to spend like 20 hours straight with a candidate on a deal/trial/etc... without wanting to strangle the candidate. Sure, the more substantive Q&A reveals a candidate's ability to perform some functions of the profession, but I wonder whether that assessment could be incorporated without this whole "three-pronged" pressure-interview.

I've definitely had a mix of both in my experience: interviewers grilling me for a bit about a note topic, then shooting the sht about sports or something. While it's intellectually stimulating to talk about a note topic or a writing sample, it's equally stimulating to create a personal connection outside of "law" with someone during an interview (As an aside--I see how the third-prong is "traditional" interviewing...but, in case anybody hasn't experienced one, "panel" interviews suck and largely resemble a candidate pressure-cooker. This result, IMO, defeats the purpose of the "traditional interview" anyways).

Thus, I doubt this tactic will catch-on. The result Pepper seeks could probably be achieved by having each interviewer during a CB ask some questions, requiring the candidate to think on his/her feet, rather than implementing some draconian ibank-style interviewing system (I've done them...they suck).

Callbacks aren't really about simply "fit" anymore. Some firms brought back over a 100 candidates back for 12 summer positions. I went through this Pepper interview last year. Its not hard, nerve wracking or anything like that. They all basically end up turning into conversations.

Big Shrimpin wrote:

kalvano wrote:I like the idea. I'd rather be questioned about my writing sample and asked to defend it than be judged based on how well I converse about sports.

Sports convos in interviews are actually pretty common but usually as an icebreaker/parting chatter--not as a variable for assessment.

Only callback interview --> product of trying to analyze why Lincecum was having such a horrible month last year, and speculating as to whether he would bounce back. Didn't end up getting the job, but got a World Series.

Anonymous User wrote:Callbacks aren't really about simply "fit" anymore. Some firms brought back over a 100 candidates back for 12 summer positions. I went through this Pepper interview last year. Its not hard, nerve wracking or anything like that. They all basically end up turning into conversations.

Thanks for the info .

prezidentv8 wrote:

Big Shrimpin wrote:

kalvano wrote:I like the idea. I'd rather be questioned about my writing sample and asked to defend it than be judged based on how well I converse about sports.

Sports convos in interviews are actually pretty common but usually as an icebreaker/parting chatter--not as a variable for assessment.

Only callback interview --> product of trying to analyze why Lincecum was having such a horrible month last year, and speculating as to whether he would bounce back. Didn't end up getting the job, but got a World Series.

Damn, dood, out of like 10 CBs, sports only came up in passing. Welp, rising 2Ls, it couldn't hurt to catch ESPN once or twice a week.

It always shocks me how many times posters on here express fear of talking about sports.......it reminds me that many of you are like little Nileses on Frasier.

A'nold wrote:It always shocks me how many times posters on here express fear of talking about sports.......it reminds me that many of you are like little Nileses on Frasier.

Okay, that is pretty freakin funny.

My only SA CB heavily revolved around sports (probably because it was a niche boutique, and I'm only a 1L), but mostly because it was a standout on my resume. If anyone ever asked me about football or baseball news, I'd be in trouble. I can talk about soccer until the end of time, but football and baseball bore me to tears.

beach_terror wrote:My only SA CB heavily revolved around sports (probably because it was a niche boutique, and I'm only a 1L), but mostly because it was a standout on my resume. If anyone ever asked me about football or baseball news, I'd be in trouble. I can talk about soccer until the end of time, but football and baseball bore me to tears.

Same for me. For a large DC firm callback, almost every interview during the day started with the disinterested "oh I didn't have time to review your resume; please tell me about yourself" one. I would just say my rehearsed spiel and then dovetail with a piece of current news that was reconcilable with my stated interests and an area of that person's practice. Then the convo would just drift for the next 25 minutes into anything from the Nats to mountain biking to food (basically cocktail chatter). I had a voicemail offer waiting when my plane landed a few hours later. Based on the expediency, it seems clear that they just flew me out there to dazzle me with the firm's extravagances and also ensure that I'm not a complete ra-tard.

damn. i was kind of hoping extreme interviewing was more like this

A'nold wrote:It always shocks me how many times posters on here express fear of talking about sports.......it reminds me that many of you are like little Nileses on Frasier.

I know absolutely nothing about sports other than hockey. Less than nothing.

kalvano wrote:

A'nold wrote:It always shocks me how many times posters on here express fear of talking about sports.......it reminds me that many of you are like little Nileses on Frasier.

I know absolutely nothing about sports other than hockey. Less than nothing.

Hmmm.....I shall engage in a factors balancing test to determine your manliness (conclusory preemption of claims of irrelevance to thread: it is relevant):

1) Are you actually a guy?
2) Where are you from?
3) Private or public schools growing up?
4) Sports played and at what age?
5) ???????? (out of order but always necessary)
6) Profit.
7) Beard or no beard?
How much knowledge of hockey do you have and how often do you watch?
9) Do you follow a certain team?
10) If you do watch hockey and/or go to the games, would you miss a playoff game your team is playing in to go to the opera, go on a date w/ your girlfriend/wife, go hiking, or something similar?

A'nold wrote: 1) Are you actually a guy?
2) Where are you from?
3) Private or public schools growing up?
4) Sports played and at what age?
5) ???????? (out of order but always necessary)
6) Profit.
7) Beard or no beard?
How much knowledge of hockey do you have and how often do you watch?
9) Do you follow a certain team?
10) If you do watch hockey and/or go to the games, would you miss a playoff game your team is playing in to go to the opera, go on a date w/ your girlfriend/wife, go hiking, or something similar?

1) It would appear so.
2) Texas.
3) Public until I was kicked out, private from 7th to 12th grade.
4) Karate, 26-28, until a knee went bad.
5) !!!!!!!!!
6) Not with the current market.
7) Partial beard, for a long time. I hate shaving.
A good bit, and I watched all 82 games before last season. As many games as I could last season, but being 1L, not as many as I would have liked.
9) Stars, mostly.
10) My wife would love to go to playoff games as a date, so your question is invalid.

glitter178 wrote:damn. i was kind of hoping extreme interviewing was more like this

+1


I might actually have a better shot that way.... maaaybe.

kalvano wrote:

A'nold wrote: 1) Are you actually a guy?
2) Where are you from?
3) Private or public schools growing up?
4) Sports played and at what age?
5) ???????? (out of order but always necessary)
6) Profit.
7) Beard or no beard?
How much knowledge of hockey do you have and how often do you watch?
9) Do you follow a certain team?
10) If you do watch hockey and/or go to the games, would you miss a playoff game your team is playing in to go to the opera, go on a date w/ your girlfriend/wife, go hiking, or something similar?

1) It would appear so.
2) Texas.
3) Public until I was kicked out, private from 7th to 12th grade.
4) Karate, 26-28, until a knee went bad.
5) !!!!!!!!!
6) Not with the current market.
7) Partial beard, for a long time. I hate shaving.
A good bit, and I watched all 82 games before last season. As many games as I could last season, but being 1L, not as many as I would have liked.
9) Stars, mostly.
10) My wife would love to go to playoff games as a date, so your question is invalid.

1) semi-feminine response but too many variables to count as a factor.
2) Hmmm....it appears that you are from Dallas, the yuppiest big city in Texas, no?
3) Would need to know why you were kicked out to evaluate this as a plus or minus.
4) This is a very big negative. Parents put their losery, unathletic kids in karate in hopes that they will learn some self respect and how to defend themselves from the bullies constantly beating them up. The fact that this came about later in life is especially disturbing.
5) Totally.
6) Admitting to self-doom = manly.
7) Are you stubble guy like Tom Sellek or like nerdy computer guy wearing a greasy ponytail and black t-shirt? This is a wash as of now.
Watching all 82 hockey games = almost prima facie case of at least some manliness.
9) Not a deciding factor.
10) Wife more manly than you = a bad sign......

I dub thee placed in the semi-butch feminist category (manlier than valley girl but less manly than ball busting she-male. Think Hillary Clinton).

A'nold wrote:1) semi-feminine response but too many variables to count as a factor.
2) Hmmm....it appears that you are from Dallas, the yuppiest big city in Texas, no?
3) Would need to know why you were kicked out to evaluate this as a plus or minus.
4) This is a very big negative. Parents put their losery, unathletic kids in karate in hopes that they will learn some self respect and how to defend themselves from the bullies constantly beating them up. The fact that this came about later in life is especially disturbing.
5) Totally.
6) Admitting to self-doom = manly.
7) Are you stubble guy like Tom Sellek or like nerdy computer guy wearing a greasy ponytail and black t-shirt? This is a wash as of now.
Watching all 82 hockey games = almost prima facie case of at least some manliness.
9) Not a deciding factor.
10) Wife more manly than you = a bad sign......

I dub thee placed in the semi-butch feminist category (manlier than valley girl but less manly than ball busting she-male. Think Hillary Clinton).

1) I also said I am married with a wife and live in Texas. By default, that makes me male.
2) Don't judge me....I hate the fact that I am from Texas. Texas blows.
3) I got pushed off the slide and went face-first into gravel. Two weeks later, I saw the kid that did it drinking from the water fountain and slammed him face-first into the wall and broke his nose and chipped 3 teeth.
4) I can beat you up.
5) @@@@@@@
6) Unicorns and sunshine!
7) Neither one. I don't shave unless I have to, but I have no greasy long hair.
I would watch more if the Stars didn't suck.
9) OK.
10) How does that make her more manly? That makes her awesome. But it's my fault that she likes hockey, which by default makes me more manly.


Hillary Clinton? Have you ever heard of a karate move called the Cobra? Come closer, I think you'll find it fascinating. You don't need to use your hands, right?

kalvano wrote:

A'nold wrote: 1) Are you actually a guy?
2) Where are you from?
3) Private or public schools growing up?
4) Sports played and at what age?
5) ???????? (out of order but always necessary)
6) Profit.
7) Beard or no beard?
How much knowledge of hockey do you have and how often do you watch?
9) Do you follow a certain team?
10) If you do watch hockey and/or go to the games, would you miss a playoff game your team is playing in to go to the opera, go on a date w/ your girlfriend/wife, go hiking, or something similar?

1) It would appear so. (that I am, in fact, a guy and not a chick; added for effect by Lawquacious).....
2) Texas.
3) Public until I was kicked out, private from 7th to 12th grade.
4) Karate, 26-28, until a knee went bad.
5) !!!!!!!!!
6) Not with the current market.
7) Partial beard, for a long time. I hate shaving.
A good bit, and I watched all 82 games before last season. As many games as I could last season, but being 1L, not as many as I would have liked.
9) Stars, mostly.
10) My wife would love to go to playoff games as a date, so your question is invalid.

no offense intended but I totally thought you were a chick for the longest time (i.e. until you presently disclosed otherwise)... I think it was that in the past your tar was a picture of some chick... that often throws me lol....

Did you think I was hot?

kalvano wrote:

A'nold wrote:1) semi-feminine response but too many variables to count as a factor.
2) Hmmm....it appears that you are from Dallas, the yuppiest big city in Texas, no?
3) Would need to know why you were kicked out to evaluate this as a plus or minus.
4) This is a very big negative. Parents put their losery, unathletic kids in karate in hopes that they will learn some self respect and how to defend themselves from the bullies constantly beating them up. The fact that this came about later in life is especially disturbing.
5) Totally.
6) Admitting to self-doom = manly.
7) Are you stubble guy like Tom Sellek or like nerdy computer guy wearing a greasy ponytail and black t-shirt? This is a wash as of now.
Watching all 82 hockey games = almost prima facie case of at least some manliness.
9) Not a deciding factor.
10) Wife more manly than you = a bad sign......

I dub thee placed in the semi-butch feminist category (manlier than valley girl but less manly than ball busting she-male. Think Hillary Clinton).

1) I also said I am married with a wife and live in Texas. By default, that makes me male.
2) Don't judge me....I hate the fact that I am from Texas. Texas blows.
3) I got pushed off the slide and went face-first into gravel. Two weeks later, I saw the kid that did it drinking from the water fountain and slammed him face-first into the wall and broke his nose and chipped 3 teeth.
4) I can beat you up.
5) @@@@@@@
6) Unicorns and sunshine!
7) Neither one. I don't shave unless I have to, but I have no greasy long hair.
I would watch more if the Stars didn't suck.
9) OK.
10) How does that make her more manly? That makes her awesome. But it's my fault that she likes hockey, which by default makes me more manly.


Hillary Clinton? Have you ever heard of a karate move called the Cobra? Come closer, I think you'll find it fascinating. You don't need to use your hands, right?

A'nold wrote:It always shocks me how many times posters on here express fear of talking about sports.......it reminds me that many of you are like little Nileses on Frasier.

I know nothing about sports.

Honestly, I love hearing that sports is such a common topic in interviews/callbacks. I have a pretty good working knowledge of football, baseball, and basketball, and would love to get hired to a market-paying position based on my addiction to ESPN. And watching sports seems considerably easier and more enjoyable than striving for top 10%.

beachbum wrote:And watching sports seems considerably easier and more enjoyable than striving for top 10%.

Hah "PTI" and prosper...

beachbum wrote:Honestly, I love hearing that sports is such a common topic in interviews/callbacks. I have a pretty good working knowledge of football, baseball, and basketball, and would love to get hired to a market-paying position based on my addiction to ESPN. And watching sports seems considerably easier and more enjoyable than striving for top 10%.

The caveat is if you're not in the top 10%, you aren't getting these interviews to begin with.