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Yeah, but they aren't hiring people from WVU. The two people interviewed for the article were 1) Formerly unemployed grad from Northwestern 2) Former 7th year associate from Jones Daycpajd wrote:Interesting article, and you're right, its generally good money for WV. Its all a matter of perspective. If you go to WVU (or elsewhere for that matter) and come out with little or no debt, the cost of living is often so cheap you've got a great lifestyle career and you feel pretty good. Sounds like many of these attorneys are happy about where they are in life, even if its not what they originally envisioned for their career. But God help those that went to school and paid top $$, and have to "settle" for these jobs, and just hope they can service their massive debt from undergad and law school. Again, its all a matter of where you're coming from.
Yea, unlike the article from a few weeks ago (Is Law School a Losing Game?), the people interviewed in this article aren't from TTT's. This would be unnerving if it didn't sound like they were taking these jobs completely by choice.bdubs wrote:Yeah, but they aren't hiring people from WVU. The two people interviewed for the article were 1) Formerly unemployed grad from Northwestern 2) Former 7th year associate from Jones Daycpajd wrote:Interesting article, and you're right, its generally good money for WV. Its all a matter of perspective. If you go to WVU (or elsewhere for that matter) and come out with little or no debt, the cost of living is often so cheap you've got a great lifestyle career and you feel pretty good. Sounds like many of these attorneys are happy about where they are in life, even if its not what they originally envisioned for their career. But God help those that went to school and paid top $$, and have to "settle" for these jobs, and just hope they can service their massive debt from undergad and law school. Again, its all a matter of where you're coming from.
Right. The NU guy said that he had hunted for PI work unsuccessfully first. That's already an unorthodox track at Northwestern, but he's pretty clearly interested in work that doesn't involve 80 hour weeks. I got the same impression from the other person, but I worry that their apparent happiness might be post-hoc justification.sanetruth wrote:Yea, unlike the article from a few weeks ago (Is Law School a Losing Game?), the people interviewed in this article aren't from TTT's. This would be unnerving if it didn't sound like they were taking these jobs completely by choice.bdubs wrote:Yeah, but they aren't hiring people from WVU. The two people interviewed for the article were 1) Formerly unemployed grad from Northwestern 2) Former 7th year associate from Jones Daycpajd wrote:Interesting article, and you're right, its generally good money for WV. Its all a matter of perspective. If you go to WVU (or elsewhere for that matter) and come out with little or no debt, the cost of living is often so cheap you've got a great lifestyle career and you feel pretty good. Sounds like many of these attorneys are happy about where they are in life, even if its not what they originally envisioned for their career. But God help those that went to school and paid top $$, and have to "settle" for these jobs, and just hope they can service their massive debt from undergad and law school. Again, its all a matter of where you're coming from.
Its unclear where most of their hires are coming from school-wise. Its a fair point though that at least one is from Northwestern. If that person took on a bunch of debt, as I said "God help them." Not sure that Wheeling, WV is likely to represent a high concentration of Top 14 grads though. The article didn't really get into those details.sanetruth wrote:Yea, unlike the article from a few weeks ago (Is Law School a Losing Game?), the people interviewed in this article aren't from TTT's. This would be unnerving if it didn't sound like they were taking these jobs completely by choice.bdubs wrote:Yeah, but they aren't hiring people from WVU. The two people interviewed for the article were 1) Formerly unemployed grad from Northwestern 2) Former 7th year associate from Jones Daycpajd wrote:Interesting article, and you're right, its generally good money for WV. Its all a matter of perspective. If you go to WVU (or elsewhere for that matter) and come out with little or no debt, the cost of living is often so cheap you've got a great lifestyle career and you feel pretty good. Sounds like many of these attorneys are happy about where they are in life, even if its not what they originally envisioned for their career. But God help those that went to school and paid top $$, and have to "settle" for these jobs, and just hope they can service their massive debt from undergad and law school. Again, its all a matter of where you're coming from.
From their website:Its unclear where most of their hires are coming from school-wise. Its a fair point though that at least one is from Northwestern. If that person took on a bunch of debt, as I said "God help them." Not sure that Wheeling, WV is likely to represent a high concentration of Top 14 grads though. The article didn't really get into those details.
Eh, the associate mommy track usually starts well before the 7th year. I suspect there's more to the story.Desert Fox wrote:Why are people in this thread surprised that t14 grads strike out and end up in shit law?
What sucks about this is, if it's all doc review, they are limiting their careers by not learning. Though that 7th year associate seems to be doing this as a mommy-track position.
Also the 37 year old NU grad is real smart popping out a kid right when he's about to graduate with $150,000 of debt in an abysmal economy.Desert Fox wrote:Why are people in this thread surprised that t14 grads strike out and end up in shit law?
What sucks about this is, if it's all doc review, they are limiting their careers by not learning. Though that 7th year associate seems to be doing this as a mommy-track position.
Yea after 7 years you get fired from big law if you don't make partner. 7 years is actually above normal.quakeroats wrote:Eh, the associate mommy track usually starts well before the 7th year. I suspect there's more to the story.Desert Fox wrote:Why are people in this thread surprised that t14 grads strike out and end up in shit law?
What sucks about this is, if it's all doc review, they are limiting their careers by not learning. Though that 7th year associate seems to be doing this as a mommy-track position.
They have something from when they were 8th grade on the law resume???quakeroats wrote:For those unfamiliar with what it takes to become a Lady (or Knight) of the Golden Horseshoe and why it should definitely be mentioned in a firm bio:
"One of the highlights of the eighth-grade year is the opportunity for a student to become a Knight or Lady of the Golden Horseshoe. This prestigious program takes its name from the golden horseshoes given to the early explorers of West Virginia."
"Each year 221 eighth-grade students are honored for their knowledge of the state in a one-day ceremony held in Charleston. The Golden Horseshoe winners have outscored their classmates in school and county wide [sic] testing competitions and made top scores on a West Virginia Department of Education test which measures their grasp of West Virginia Studies. Students also write an essay focusing on some aspect of West Virginia current events."
http://wvde.state.wv.us/goldenhorseshoe/about.html
Ridiculous. Plus, she's listing "law clerk" jobs at a corporation and a small firm as "clerkships." That's a bit disingenuous.Flips88 wrote:They have something from when they were 8th grade on the law resume???quakeroats wrote:For those unfamiliar with what it takes to become a Lady (or Knight) of the Golden Horseshoe and why it should definitely be mentioned in a firm bio:
"One of the highlights of the eighth-grade year is the opportunity for a student to become a Knight or Lady of the Golden Horseshoe. This prestigious program takes its name from the golden horseshoes given to the early explorers of West Virginia."
"Each year 221 eighth-grade students are honored for their knowledge of the state in a one-day ceremony held in Charleston. The Golden Horseshoe winners have outscored their classmates in school and county wide [sic] testing competitions and made top scores on a West Virginia Department of Education test which measures their grasp of West Virginia Studies. Students also write an essay focusing on some aspect of West Virginia current events."
http://wvde.state.wv.us/goldenhorseshoe/about.html
As someone who narrowly missed induction into the Order of the Golden Horseshoe, I only wish I could list this on my resume.Flips88 wrote:They have something from when they were 8th grade on the law resume???quakeroats wrote:For those unfamiliar with what it takes to become a Lady (or Knight) of the Golden Horseshoe and why it should definitely be mentioned in a firm bio:
"One of the highlights of the eighth-grade year is the opportunity for a student to become a Knight or Lady of the Golden Horseshoe. This prestigious program takes its name from the golden horseshoes given to the early explorers of West Virginia."
"Each year 221 eighth-grade students are honored for their knowledge of the state in a one-day ceremony held in Charleston. The Golden Horseshoe winners have outscored their classmates in school and county wide [sic] testing competitions and made top scores on a West Virginia Department of Education test which measures their grasp of West Virginia Studies. Students also write an essay focusing on some aspect of West Virginia current events."
http://wvde.state.wv.us/goldenhorseshoe/about.html
So there are more employees from schools that aren't ranked in the Top 100 than those who attended Top 14.quakeroats wrote:From their website:Its unclear where most of their hires are coming from school-wise. Its a fair point though that at least one is from Northwestern. If that person took on a bunch of debt, as I said "God help them." Not sure that Wheeling, WV is likely to represent a high concentration of Top 14 grads though. The article didn't really get into those details.
Capital University x2
Akron
UVA
Case Western
Georgetown x2
Pittsburgh x6
Duquesne x3
John Marshall (it doesn't say which one)
Rutgers
Cooley
Boston College
Dayton (grad was also part of the "Lady of the Golden Horseshoe" Society)
Cornell
Penn
The Northwestern guy wasn't listed, and the WV site is the only office that refers to function rather than city or region.
Yeah, as I understand it, it's mainly an outlet for WVU/Pitt grads. Kinda surprised that WVU's not represented on the list, since I know there are some working there. I wonder if there are attorneys there who aren't "career associates" and those are the ones doing straight doc review.cpajd wrote:So there are more employees from schools that aren't ranked in the Top 100 than those who attended Top 14.quakeroats wrote:From their website:Its unclear where most of their hires are coming from school-wise. Its a fair point though that at least one is from Northwestern. If that person took on a bunch of debt, as I said "God help them." Not sure that Wheeling, WV is likely to represent a high concentration of Top 14 grads though. The article didn't really get into those details.
Capital University x2
Akron
UVA
Case Western
Georgetown x2
Pittsburgh x6
Duquesne x3
John Marshall (it doesn't say which one)
Rutgers
Cooley
Boston College
Dayton (grad was also part of the "Lady of the Golden Horseshoe" Society)
Cornell
Penn
The Northwestern guy wasn't listed, and the WV site is the only office that refers to function rather than city or region.
They are probably contract attorneys.TTH wrote:Yeah, as I understand it, it's mainly an outlet for WVU/Pitt grads. Kinda surprised that WVU's not represented on the list, since I know there are some working there. I wonder if there are attorneys there who aren't "career associates" and those are the ones doing straight doc review.