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The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
Okay, so I recently discovered that law schools inflate their employment after 9 mo numbers using a variety of techniques. First of all, they count any position (you could be a barista for example) as 'employment'. To compound this problem they give no indication of what percentage of the class actually winds up in the legal industry. Finally, they apparently get these numbers from voluntary questionnaires, so that they of course get a skewed sample of respondants, namely those that aren't ashamed of the fact that they're unemployed 9 months out.
I'm wondering if anyone on these forums, particularly those graduating from top law firms (T14++) can speak from personal experience to what the real numbers are. In other words, could anyone who's graduated from these colleges recently make an estimation of what percentage of their classmates were actually employed by serious law firms within 9 months of graduating (not just BigLaw, but employed as a lawyer nonetheless)?
Thanks in advance for the information.
I'm wondering if anyone on these forums, particularly those graduating from top law firms (T14++) can speak from personal experience to what the real numbers are. In other words, could anyone who's graduated from these colleges recently make an estimation of what percentage of their classmates were actually employed by serious law firms within 9 months of graduating (not just BigLaw, but employed as a lawyer nonetheless)?
Thanks in advance for the information.
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
What rock have you been under?Saiith wrote:Okay, so I recently discovered that law schools inflate their employment after 9 mo numbers using a variety of techniques.
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
Interesting observation. I myself have recently discovered that the sky is blue, water is wet, and the search function on TLS is useful for finding the hundreds of other threads on this subject.Saiith wrote:Okay, so I recently discovered that law schools inflate their employment after 9 mo numbers using a variety of techniques. First of all, they count any position (you could be a barista for example) as 'employment'. To compound this problem they give no indication of what percentage of the class actually winds up in the legal industry. Finally, they apparently get these numbers from voluntary questionnaires, so that they of course get a skewed sample of respondants, namely those that aren't ashamed of the fact that they're unemployed 9 months out.
I'm wondering if anyone on these forums, particularly those graduating from top law firms (T14++) can speak from personal experience to what the real numbers are. In other words, could anyone who's graduated from these colleges recently make an estimation of what percentage of their classmates were actually employed by serious law firms within 9 months of graduating (not just BigLaw, but employed as a lawyer nonetheless)?
Thanks in advance for the information.
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
While the class of 2010 (the most recent class) data isn't available in this format, the class of 2009 is:
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 1&t=150681
You have employment broken down by whether it is a law firm or not, part time or full time, etc.
The categories to be wary of are unemployed/unknown (obviously), seeking additional degree (these could be kids who are just doing LLMs or another grad degree because they couldn't find a job), and business (this could be the baristas). Also, the percentage of part time is also of note because some of those working at firms are contract attorneys rather than associates.
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 1&t=150681
You have employment broken down by whether it is a law firm or not, part time or full time, etc.
The categories to be wary of are unemployed/unknown (obviously), seeking additional degree (these could be kids who are just doing LLMs or another grad degree because they couldn't find a job), and business (this could be the baristas). Also, the percentage of part time is also of note because some of those working at firms are contract attorneys rather than associates.
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
This should become a mechanical auto-response.fundamentallybroken wrote: Interesting observation. I myself have recently discovered that the sky is blue, water is wet, and the search function on TLS is useful for finding the hundreds of other threads on this subject.
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
Glad you did your research and found this out. Check out this website, it's a project that is trying to pressure law schools to change the way they report employment data.
http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/
http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
It is interesting right? You might also be interested to know that I discovered that this forum is infested with bored, unoriginal and pretentious trolls.fundamentallybroken wrote:Interesting observation. I myself have recently discovered that the sky is blue, water is wet, and the search function on TLS is useful for finding the hundreds of other threads on this subject.Saiith wrote:Okay, so I recently discovered that law schools inflate their employment after 9 mo numbers using a variety of techniques. First of all, they count any position (you could be a barista for example) as 'employment'. To compound this problem they give no indication of what percentage of the class actually winds up in the legal industry. Finally, they apparently get these numbers from voluntary questionnaires, so that they of course get a skewed sample of respondants, namely those that aren't ashamed of the fact that they're unemployed 9 months out.
I'm wondering if anyone on these forums, particularly those graduating from top law firms (T14++) can speak from personal experience to what the real numbers are. In other words, could anyone who's graduated from these colleges recently make an estimation of what percentage of their classmates were actually employed by serious law firms within 9 months of graduating (not just BigLaw, but employed as a lawyer nonetheless)?
Thanks in advance for the information.
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
Wow this was exactly what I was looking for thanks a lot.bk187 wrote:While the class of 2010 (the most recent class) data isn't available in this format, the class of 2009 is:
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 1&t=150681
You have employment broken down by whether it is a law firm or not, part time or full time, etc.
The categories to be wary of are unemployed/unknown (obviously), seeking additional degree (these could be kids who are just doing LLMs or another grad degree because they couldn't find a job), and business (this could be the baristas). Also, the percentage of part time is also of note because some of those working at firms are contract attorneys rather than associates.
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
I may agree with the bolded, but not with the italicized lol.Saiith wrote:It is interesting right? You might also be interested to know that I discovered that this forum is infested with bored, unoriginal and pretentious trolls.fundamentallybroken wrote:Interesting observation. I myself have recently discovered that the sky is blue, water is wet, and the search function on TLS is useful for finding the hundreds of other threads on this subject.Saiith wrote:Okay, so I recently discovered that law schools inflate their employment after 9 mo numbers using a variety of techniques. First of all, they count any position (you could be a barista for example) as 'employment'. To compound this problem they give no indication of what percentage of the class actually winds up in the legal industry. Finally, they apparently get these numbers from voluntary questionnaires, so that they of course get a skewed sample of respondants, namely those that aren't ashamed of the fact that they're unemployed 9 months out.
I'm wondering if anyone on these forums, particularly those graduating from top law firms (T14++) can speak from personal experience to what the real numbers are. In other words, could anyone who's graduated from these colleges recently make an estimation of what percentage of their classmates were actually employed by serious law firms within 9 months of graduating (not just BigLaw, but employed as a lawyer nonetheless)?
Thanks in advance for the information.
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
I would actually agree with all three, but such humility might get in the way of the third.DoubleChecks wrote:I may agree with the bolded, but not with the italicized lol.Saiith wrote:It is interesting right? You might also be interested to know that I discovered that this forum is infested with bored, unoriginal and pretentious trolls.fundamentallybroken wrote:Interesting observation. I myself have recently discovered that the sky is blue, water is wet, and the search function on TLS is useful for finding the hundreds of other threads on this subject.Saiith wrote:Okay, so I recently discovered that law schools inflate their employment after 9 mo numbers using a variety of techniques. First of all, they count any position (you could be a barista for example) as 'employment'. To compound this problem they give no indication of what percentage of the class actually winds up in the legal industry. Finally, they apparently get these numbers from voluntary questionnaires, so that they of course get a skewed sample of respondants, namely those that aren't ashamed of the fact that they're unemployed 9 months out.
I'm wondering if anyone on these forums, particularly those graduating from top law firms (T14++) can speak from personal experience to what the real numbers are. In other words, could anyone who's graduated from these colleges recently make an estimation of what percentage of their classmates were actually employed by serious law firms within 9 months of graduating (not just BigLaw, but employed as a lawyer nonetheless)?
Thanks in advance for the information.
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
This was the first thought that came to mind for me as well.Cupidity wrote:What rock have you been under?Saiith wrote:Okay, so I recently discovered that law schools inflate their employment after 9 mo numbers using a variety of techniques.
Basically, if its the law school reporting it, dont believe it.
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
lol... this made me excrete a little.Cupidity wrote:What rock have you been under?Saiith wrote:Okay, so I recently discovered that law schools inflate their employment after 9 mo numbers using a variety of techniques.
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
Joined: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:13 pmSaiith wrote:Okay, so I recently discovered that law schools inflate their employment after 9 mo numbers using a variety of techniques. First of all, they count any position (you could be a barista for example) as 'employment'. To compound this problem they give no indication of what percentage of the class actually winds up in the legal industry. Finally, they apparently get these numbers from voluntary questionnaires, so that they of course get a skewed sample of respondants, namely those that aren't ashamed of the fact that they're unemployed 9 months out.
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Re: The REAL 9 mo Employment Rate
Touche.Kohinoor wrote:Joined: Mon Feb 08, 2010 8:13 pmSaiith wrote:Okay, so I recently discovered that law schools inflate their employment after 9 mo numbers using a variety of techniques. First of all, they count any position (you could be a barista for example) as 'employment'. To compound this problem they give no indication of what percentage of the class actually winds up in the legal industry. Finally, they apparently get these numbers from voluntary questionnaires, so that they of course get a skewed sample of respondants, namely those that aren't ashamed of the fact that they're unemployed 9 months out.
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