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How bad IS it at WashUStl?
I imagine top 5-10% has mobility.
What are median students doing?
What are median students doing?
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
Anecdotally I've heard things aren't great. WUSTL relies a lot on Chicago which wasn't a great market this year
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
I hear their market is *only* St. Louis (and unemployment). Is this only from the gloom-and-doomers?2LLLL wrote:Anecdotally I've heard things aren't great. WUSTL relies a lot on Chicago which wasn't a great market this year
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
No, top 5-10% might get jobs in St.L and median students will continue looking for jobs for some time...Anonymous User wrote:I imagine top 5-10% has mobility.
What are median students doing?
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
Flame.
Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.
Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.
Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.
Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
Jobs... yes. Legal jobs? maybe. Biglaw jobs? not even closetheantiscalia wrote:Flame.
Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.
Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
Top half has never gotten big law here...
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
Or a combo of midlaw/biglaw/clerkships/prestegious gov work.gglr24 wrote:Top half has never gotten big law here...
I mean things are rough and somone saying that half (probably more) will get jobs is a little over exagerated..
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
From what I've heard (do not quote me);AssumptionRequired wrote:Jobs... yes. Legal jobs? maybe. Biglaw jobs? not even closetheantiscalia wrote:Flame.
Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.
Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.
Top 5-10%: National BIGLAW
10-25%: Chicago and midwestern MIDLAW
25-50%: legalaid, etc.
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
Bolded is what im curious about.... i mean top 5-10% is good i just dont really see it as a school that can place far from its region...Anonymous User wrote:From what I've heard (do not quote me);AssumptionRequired wrote:Jobs... yes. Legal jobs? maybe. Biglaw jobs? not even closetheantiscalia wrote:Flame.
Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.
Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.
Top 5-10%: National BIGLAW
10-25%: Chicago and midwestern MIDLAW
25-50%: legalaid, etc.
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
and by that I only mean a few in Boston, a few in D.C., and one in LAAssumptionRequired wrote:Bolded is what im curious about.... i mean top 5-10% is good i just dont really see it as a school that can place far from its region...Anonymous User wrote:From what I've heard (do not quote me);AssumptionRequired wrote:Jobs... yes. Legal jobs? maybe. Biglaw jobs? not even closetheantiscalia wrote:Flame.
Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.
Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.
Top 5-10%: National BIGLAW
10-25%: Chicago and midwestern MIDLAW
25-50%: legalaid, etc.
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.AssumptionRequired wrote:Bolded is what im curious about.... i mean top 5-10% is good i just dont really see it as a school that can place far from its region...Anonymous User wrote:From what I've heard (do not quote me);AssumptionRequired wrote:Jobs... yes. Legal jobs? maybe. Biglaw jobs? not even closetheantiscalia wrote:Flame.
Things aren't that bad. I'm sure the top half of the class will get jobs at least... probably even more. Things probably aren't as great as they once were, but it isn't at the level where 5-10% of people get jobs.
Try to be thoughtful - and reasonable - when throwing numbers out there.
Top 5-10%: National BIGLAW
10-25%: Chicago and midwestern MIDLAW
25-50%: legalaid, etc.
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
Regardless, I'm mostly interested in what median c/o 2013 students can look forward to.Aqualibrium wrote: Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
Maybe this shows im wrong if you know specific examples of this, i am only suprised by LAand by that I only mean a few in Boston, a few in D.C., and one in LA
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
only quoting a friend who probably only has second hand knowledge himselfAssumptionRequired wrote:Maybe this shows im wrong if you know specific examples of this, i am only suprised by LAand by that I only mean a few in Boston, a few in D.C., and one in LA
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
This would be interesting to hear... from a valid source of courseAnonymous User wrote:Regardless, I'm mostly interested in what median c/o 2013 students can look forward to.Aqualibrium wrote: Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
AssumptionRequired wrote:Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.
If that person doesn't get jobs in those specific markets, it's because they a) suck at interviewing AND/OR b) don't have ties. It's easy to get to NY, Chicago, DC with absolutely no ties to the market. In LA, San Fran, and ESPECIALLY Texas, things like that matter more.
Also, I don't think you need a valid source to hear what median at WUSTL is looking at. Median past probably Cornell and GULC (extra maybe on those last two) is a rough place to be. Are you doomed? No. Will it be hard? Hell yes.
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TCRAqualibrium wrote:AssumptionRequired wrote:Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.
If that person doesn't get jobs in those specific markets, it's because they a) suck at interviewing AND/OR b) don't have ties. It's easy to get to NY, Chicago, DC with absolutely no ties to the market (so long as you're in that top echelon and have a legit desire to be in that market). In LA, San Fran, and ESPECIALLY Texas, things like that matter more.
Also, I don't think you need a valid source to hear what median at WUSTL is looking at. Median past probably Cornell and GULC (extra maybe on those last two) is a rough place to be. Are you doomed? No. Will it be hard? Hell yes.
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
This statement outs you as a 0L/1L with little understanding of legal hiring. Note that you are in the Legal Employment forum.AssumptionRequired wrote:Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.
Contrary to longstanding TLS 0L wisdom, the quality of your law school isn't that strongly correlated with its "national reach." Where in the country you can get a job is largely determined by the combination of your school rank and your grades, and your personal ties.
Examples:
If you've never been to Chicago in your life, attending Duke is not going to help you break into that market (perhaps barring you getting incredible grades) just because it's a T14 and is seen as a school with "national reach."
If you were born and raised in Denver, attending WUSTL is not going to prevent you (provided you have the grades) from coming back to a big firm in Denver just because it's not T14 and supposedly lacks "national reach."
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But... but... it's WUSTTTL, and they suxxorz!!!1!11!!RVP11 wrote:This statement outs you as a 0L/1L with little understanding of legal hiring. Note that you are in the Legal Employment forum.AssumptionRequired wrote:Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.
Contrary to longstanding TLS 0L wisdom, the quality of your law school isn't that strongly correlated with its "national reach." Where in the country you can get a job is largely determined by the combination of your school rank and your grades, and your personal ties.
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
A very good friend is a top 25% 3L at WUSTL and is frantically applying to state clerkships around the country. From what he's told me, he's far from the exception.
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T(other)CRRVP11 wrote:This statement outs you as a 0L/1L with little understanding of legal hiring. Note that you are in the Legal Employment forum.AssumptionRequired wrote:Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.
Contrary to longstanding TLS 0L wisdom, the quality of your law school isn't that strongly correlated with its "national reach." Where in the country you can get a job is largely determined by the combination of your school rank and your grades, and your personal ties.
ugh, I can't wait till 1Ls start rolling in here this spring/next summer, completely clueless about legal employment, to start gunking up the forum with misinformed threads
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
You tell us that national reach isn't correlated with "quality", but then go on to tell us that it is correlated with "rank", which serves quid pro quo for quality on this board. I'm confused as to what you were trying to illuminate.RVP11 wrote:This statement outs you as a 0L/1L with little understanding of legal hiring. Note that you are in the Legal Employment forum.AssumptionRequired wrote:Im saying the person who is between top 5-10% from there is not going to be getting biglaw in LA or san fran or Texas or anything that is relatively far because it doesnt have national reach.Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.
Contrary to longstanding TLS 0L wisdom, the quality of your law school isn't that strongly correlated with its "national reach." Where in the country you can get a job is largely determined by the combination of your school rank and your grades, and your personal ties.
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Re: How bad IS it at WashUStl?
I'd think top 10% at WUSTL will get something, though I doubt they'll have their choice of market. DC, LA, etc, will probably not be on the table.Aqualibrium wrote:Don't see what you're saying here. Top 5-10% at almost any t1 school is gonna have a good chance to get something in any major market.AssumptionRequired wrote:Bolded is what im curious about.... i mean top 5-10% is good i just dont really see it as a school that can place far from its region...Anonymous User wrote:From what I've heard (do not quote me);AssumptionRequired wrote:
Jobs... yes. Legal jobs? maybe. Biglaw jobs? not even close
Top 5-10%: National BIGLAW
10-25%: Chicago and midwestern MIDLAW
25-50%: legalaid, etc.
In any case, top 10% at a T1 isn't a guarantee for biglaw much less biglaw in any market. See my post here: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 9#p3618869
The top 25 schools (by placement) account for about 3,500 of 4,500 NLJ250 jobs. The lower T1 is then fighting with the T2 for the remaining 1,000 jobs. There are about 2,000 students in the lower T1/T2 who are in the top 10% of their class...
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