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anyone with crap grades land a SA position?

Anonymous User wrote:anyone with crap grades land a SA position?

Yes. Unfortunately, people with good grades also got nothing. Read the "What I Wish I Had Known" thread: grades are not all that determinative. Not as much as 1L talk leads you to think. "40% of grads get BigLaw" does not mean "the top 40% of the class gets BigLaw".

Anonymous User wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:anyone with crap grades land a SA position?

"40% of grads get BigLaw" does not mean "the top 40% of the class gets BigLaw".

Truer words have never been written.

Aqualibrium wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:anyone with crap grades land a SA position?

"40% of grads get BigLaw" does not mean "the top 40% of the class gets BigLaw".

Truer words have never been written.

And you would think with how well we all did on the LSAT, we would have identified the logical fallacy ahead of time.

Bosque wrote:

Aqualibrium wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:anyone with crap grades land a SA position?

"40% of grads get BigLaw" does not mean "the top 40% of the class gets BigLaw".

Truer words have never been written.

And you would think with how well we all did on the LSAT, we would have identified the logical fallacy ahead of time.

Cosmic irony pwn'd. Sigh.

v30

ccn, was >.1 away from median.

CCN going to 100-120k mid-law in greater NYC region. Grades are more below-average than bad.

Anonymous User wrote:v30

ccn, was >.1 away from median.

above or below?

Anonymous User wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:v30

ccn, was >.1 away from median.

above or below?

below.

V90s firm. Grades: not sure, but would guess bottom 1/3 if not 1/5.

Anonymous User wrote:V90s firm. Grades: not sure, but would guess bottom 1/3 if not 1/5.

T14?

Anonymous User wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:V90s firm. Grades: not sure, but would guess bottom 1/3 if not 1/5.

T14?

yes

as of right now - starbucks.

Anonymous User wrote:as of right now - starbucks.

Do they call the men barristas too?

Aqualibrium wrote:

Anonymous User wrote:as of right now - starbucks.

Do they call the men barristas too?

barristos?

v50 in a tough market.

below median at mvp.

To those with average or poor grades, what distinguished you to land your job? Connections? Prior work experience? Interview skills?

I think answers will be helpful for incoming and current law students.

Jessep wrote:To those with average or poor grades, what distinguished you to land your job? Connections? Prior work experience? Interview skills?

I think answers will be helpful for incoming and current law students.

For me, it was work experience and having a tech background/grad degree/patent interest. I was bottom third, but had offers as high as V20.

Jessep wrote:To those with average or poor grades, what distinguished you to land your job? Connections? Prior work experience? Interview skills?

I think answers will be helpful for incoming and current law students.

I must interview really well. Or at least, big smile, big laugh . I don't have anything noteworthy in my background, except a 1L SA (but at a different firm, and not URM).

(btw I'm the CCNer whose gpa was >.1 below median)

below median at MVP, going to a midsize firm in a flyover city that I have no real ties to (<$100K, but I'm not complaining). it was my only callback out of several screeners and mass mails. My friends have also had random results. I have friends with similar or worse grades who got biglaw, and others who have better grades and got nothing.

Just how bad does it look to work a non-law job 2L summer? I am just below median at MVP, struck out at OCI (and at mass mailing/government positions/etc) and am realistically facing getting a waitressing job or something similar

Anonymous User wrote:Just how bad does it look to work a non-law job 2L summer? I am just below median at MVP, struck out at OCI (and at mass mailing/government positions/etc) and am realistically facing getting a waitressing job or something similar

You should definitely reach out to your favorite professors now and express strong interest in working with them next summer. I know that quite a few professors took on 2L SAs last year. On top of that, a number of pro bono organizations recruit pretty steadily through the summer. Have you considered contacting 1-5 man operations and asking if they need a warm body? To answer your question, I think that while the summer job is important it is only a dealbreaker for biglaw.

Anonymous User wrote:Just how bad does it look to work a non-law job 2L summer? I am just below median at MVP, struck out at OCI (and at mass mailing/government positions/etc) and am realistically facing getting a waitressing job or something similar

I struck out at MVP with substantially better grades, FML.

You will not end up waiting tables, though, unless that's what you want to do. At the very least, you can get interesting PI work in your hometown. Most of the government deadlines are past, and while I regret not applying for them, I console myself with the thought that honestly, most of the good ones were out of my league anyway. I'm still going to talk to the government career services people. Just to get ideas. I will not trust anything I have not double- and triple-checked, but ... hopefully they can at least NAME a bunch of good government posts. I suggest you do, as well.

Here's the way I look at it: in retrospect, my "get BigLaw for four years, pay off all loans and stash money in a pillowcase, run off to do good" plan wasn't that great. It's four years of working in a job I might well hate, making people outside BigLaw more and more suspicious of my resume. My current plan is to just pretend I'm independently wealthy and go Batman on the injustice plaguing society. LRAP takes longer, I guess, but it does guarantee a respectable living in many parts of the country. I'm happy just signing away any material pretensions in exchange for an early start on the work I want to do.

So go find a fantastic PI (or maybe government) position. My impression is that PI at least does not have a short-and-early time window like BigLaw.

Just how bad does it look to work a non-law job 2L summer? I am just below median at MVP, struck out at OCI (and at mass mailing/government positions/etc) and am realistically facing getting a waitressing job or something similar

If you're going to take a restaraunt job as your primary summer employment you may as well just drop out of law school now.

You'll definitely be able to find a legal job, there is just a very high likelihood that it will be (a) unpaid (or nominally paid), and (b) probably not going to lead to full time employment after graduation. My recommendation would be to check out your state's attorney general or the USAO, I did that for my 1L summer last summer and it was good experience. I also struck out and its looking like this is what I'll have to do. You have to think long-term at this point, as much as it sucks working in a job that you could have gotten as a 1L (and probably being surrounded by 1Ls preparing for OCI all summer).

Anybody around that has info on what (if anything) they landed from medianish grades at a T30-T25?