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Ok, the obvious answer here would be 50%, but with massive grade clumping is that really the case?? Is it likely that median, particularly at schools with Credit or no credit courses for 1Ls, after 1L extends 5-10%+ past 50%. Would a school with HH/H/P grades extend the median any further?? Would like to hear from anyone with insight into grade data at T-14s.

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clevinger33 wrote:What?

Gpa list... 4.0, 3.8, 3.5, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.0, 3.0, 2.7. Median gpa is 3.33 but 10/13 are at/above the median.

tkgrrett wrote:

clevinger33 wrote:What?

Gpa list... 4.0, 3.8, 3.5, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.0, 3.0, 2.7. Median gpa is 3.33 but 10/13 are at/above the median.

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mallard wrote:

tkgrrett wrote:

clevinger33 wrote:What?

Gpa list... 4.0, 3.8, 3.5, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.33, 3.0, 3.0, 2.7. Median gpa is 3.33 but 10/13 are at/above the median.

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I'm not getting what is so funny?

betasteve wrote:

tkgrrett wrote:Ok, the obvious answer here would be 50%, but with massive grade clumping is that really the case?? Is it likely that median, particularly at schools with Credit or no credit courses for 1Ls, after 1L extends 5-10%+ past 50%. Would a school with HH/H/P grades extend the median any further?? Would like to hear from anyone with insight into grade data at T-14s.

A median is described as the numeric value separating the higher half of a sample, a population, or a probability distribution, from the lower half.

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umm no that doesnt really help.. see above example. the median is a number that represents the halfway value over a range of datapoints. It is not a unique value though and thus over half of the range could have values at or above that value.

This isn't as stupid of a question as you are all making it out to be. It's likely over 50% by a fairly small number. This is more true at schools without letters grades since there aren't as many possible permutations with only HP, P, and LP.

It's not something anyone should worry about.

tkgrrett wrote:

betasteve wrote:

tkgrrett wrote:Ok, the obvious answer here would be 50%, but with massive grade clumping is that really the case?? Is it likely that median, particularly at schools with Credit or no credit courses for 1Ls, after 1L extends 5-10%+ past 50%. Would a school with HH/H/P grades extend the median any further?? Would like to hear from anyone with insight into grade data at T-14s.

A median is described as the numeric value separating the higher half of a sample, a population, or a probability distribution, from the lower half.

hth

umm no that doesnt really help.. see above example. the median is a number that represents the halfway value over a range of datapoints. It is not a unique value though and thus over half of the range could have values at or above that value.

It seems unlikely that this is going to be as egregious as it is in your example, even in a school with H/P. And most of those schools have book prizes to distinguish students with equivalent GPAs.

And, still LOL.

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Guys, you're being really dumb. His question is legitimate.

1) With respect to individual classes: At a school with a B+ curve, well over half of each class gets median or better. Often 60, 70%+.

2) With respect to the performance of the class as a whole, it's still quite possible that more than half of the class is median or better. The normal distribution suggests that the most populous region of the curve after 1L year is likely to be at or within a few points of the median. If you take a liberal definition of 'median' extending to just below it - or if you are at a school with an amorphous 3.15-3.25 type median instead of one occurring right at a letter (such as 3.3, or 178 or however the hell Chicago does it) - there will actually be a sizable enough portion of the population directly 'at median' that it would be accurate to say more than half of the class is at the median. In sum, my guess is up to 60% of any given class is "at or above median" by a definition most reasonable people would agree on for "median."

But by all means, get back to trolling the shit out of the OP -.-

Desert Fox wrote:This isn't as stupid of a question as you are all making it out to be. It's likely over 50% by a fairly small number. This is more true at schools without letters grades since there aren't as many possible permutations with only HP, P, and LP.

Yea.. umm I know TLS is bad at math at all but this is ridiculous.. are people really not getting this?? The example was just an easy way to illustrate it. I couldve typed out a list of 200 numbers but didnt really feel like doing that. The main reason I was asking this is for schools with HP/P/LP systems(and other versions) in particular.

tkgrrett wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:This isn't as stupid of a question as you are all making it out to be. It's likely over 50% by a fairly small number. This is more true at schools without letters grades since there aren't as many possible permutations with only HP, P, and LP.

Yea.. umm I know TLS is bad at math at all but this is ridiculous.. are people really not getting this?? The example was just an easy way to illustrate it. I couldve typed out a list of 200 numbers but didnt really feel like doing that. The main reason I was asking this is for schools with HP/P/LP systems(and other versions) in particular.

Normally I'd suspect prelaw students are math retarded, but Betasteve did math in undergrad.

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Desert Fox wrote:

tkgrrett wrote:

Desert Fox wrote:This isn't as stupid of a question as you are all making it out to be. It's likely over 50% by a fairly small number. This is more true at schools without letters grades since there aren't as many possible permutations with only HP, P, and LP.

Yea.. umm I know TLS is bad at math at all but this is ridiculous.. are people really not getting this?? The example was just an easy way to illustrate it. I couldve typed out a list of 200 numbers but didnt really feel like doing that. The main reason I was asking this is for schools with HP/P/LP systems(and other versions) in particular.

Normally I'd suspect prelaw students are math retarded, but Betasteve did math in undergrad.

Yeah, the "LOL MORAN" brigade was really out in unnecessary force on this one.

Especially since I think it's relevant that individual classes often award 2/3+ "median" or better grades, there's relevant info and/or discussion to be had here. More so than in threads where the OP isn't shredded instantly.

disco_barred wrote:Guys, you're being really dumb. His question is legitimate.

1) With respect to individual classes: At a school with a B+ curve, well over half of each class gets median or better. Often 60, 70%+.

2) With respect to the performance of the class as a whole, it's still quite possible that more than half of the class is median or better. The normal distribution suggests that the most populous region of the curve after 1L year is likely to be at or within a few points of the median. If you take a liberal definition of 'median' extending to just below it - or if you are at a school with an amorphous 3.15-3.25 type median instead of one occurring right at a letter (such as 3.3, or 178 or however the hell Chicago does it) - there will actually be a sizable enough portion of the population directly 'at median' that it would be accurate to say more than half of the class is at the median. In sum, my guess is up to 60% of any given class is "at or above median" by a definition most reasonable people would agree on for "median."

But by all means, get back to trolling the shit out of the OP -.-

Yea this is what I was wondering, 55-60% is what I thought but I wasnt sure b/c I dont really know a lot about the distribution at top schools.. this would mean a good estimate of the amount at the 2/3rd GPA mark is actually 75-80%. I know it doesnt matter as far as choosing school, I just wondered how this related to competitiveness at certain ranges.

tkgrrett wrote:this would mean a good estimate of the amount at the 2/3rd GPA mark is actually 75-80%.

OK, never mind, stupid question is stupid.

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tkgrrett wrote:Yea this is what I was wondering, 55-60% is what I thought but I wasnt sure b/c I dont really know a lot about the distribution at top schools.. this would mean a good estimate of the amount at the 2/3rd GPA mark is actually 75-80%. I know it doesnt matter as far as choosing school, I just wondered how this related to competitiveness at certain ranges.

It is really, really, really not a concern, and despite the fact that #105 in a class of 200 might be at median, it remains a truly silly question.

Furthermore, I don't know of any H/P schools that rank.

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