V25 hiring director: non-T20 hiring to decline permanently Forum

[d34d9823]

You are paying sticker at NU because attending a T14 obviously will increase your chances of getting bigLaw right? I believe an excellent resume from a T30 student gives them this extra push as well....Believe it or not firms favor law students with good WE, and that is the main reason why NU places so well.

True...but i highly doubt that a NU student with 0 years of WE, will do better in finding a job than say..a WashU student with 4 years of solid WE

No i am saying WUSTL +5yrsWE > NU + OyrsWE

Lol this is retarded. This isn't how the real world works. WE in your field trumps all. WE in some random other thing...who the fuck cares?

[itsmytime10]

No i am saying WUSTL +5yrsWE > NU + OyrsWE

I'm not taking a position one way or another on that, but you may be right.

He is not right.

I love it when the T14 students paying 200k for a degree think they are right...

[itsmytime10]

You are paying sticker at NU because attending a T14 obviously will increase your chances of getting bigLaw right? I believe an excellent resume from a T30 student gives them this extra push as well....Believe it or not firms favor law students with good WE, and that is the main reason why NU places so well.

True...but i highly doubt that a NU student with 0 years of WE, will do better in finding a job than say..a WashU student with 4 years of solid WE

No i am saying WUSTL +5yrsWE > NU + OyrsWE

Lol this is retarded. This isn't how the real world works. WE in your field trumps all. WE in some random other thing...who the fuck cares?

Dude no one here is talking about WE in some random field.

[09042014]

Lets agree to disagree....I will remind you of this statement when i get my IL summer PAID internship. $3200/WEEK...oh and i would be in much less debt.

Odds are you aren't even getting a 2L SA.[/quote]

that will be just fine as well...i don't owe anyone 200k[/quote]

This is actually where I agree somewhat. If you are okay with small firm pay, taking the money is the best choice. But I can already earn small firm pay, I'm big law or bust.

For me, no debt and working a small firm is epic fail. For it is a win. Since we have different expected outcomes the best investiment will be different.

[09042014]

DF is my TLS hero.

I've always loved your tar.

[itsmytime10]

Lets agree to disagree....I will remind you of this statement when i get my IL summer PAID internship. $3200/WEEK...oh and i would be in much less debt.

Odds are you aren't even getting a 2L SA.

that will be just fine as well...i don't owe anyone 200k[/quote]

This is actually where I agree somewhat. If you are okay with small firm pay, taking the money is the best choice. But I can already earn small firm pay, I'm big law or bust.

For me, no debt and working a small firm is epic fail. For it is a win. Since we have different expected outcomes the best investiment will be different.[/quote]

Trust me we both have the same expected outcome...i am not leaving a job making 90k to get a small firm pay....i just won't pay 200k to get to that outcome.....

[d34d9823]

Dude no one here is talking about WE in some random field.

Ok, fine, so you're going to Law School now, and you already have experience in law? As what, a paralegal!? You've got to be kidding me if you think anything you can do without a law degree counts as WE for the purposes of BigLaw hiring.

[09042014]

True...but i highly doubt that a NU student with 0 years of WE, will do better in finding a job than say..a WashU student with 4 years of solid WE

No i am saying WUSTL +5yrsWE > NU + OyrsWE

Lol this is retarded. This isn't how the real world works. WE in your field trumps all. WE in some random other thing...who the fuck cares?

Dude no one here is talking about WE in some random field.

Do you happen to be a patent agent?

Because that is one of the few exceptions to the general rule. Because you get real job experience for the job you seeking.

[itsmytime10]

Dude no one here is talking about WE in some random field.

Ok, fine, so you're going to Law School now, and you already have experience in law? As what, a paralegal!? You've got to be kidding me if you think anything you can do without a law degree counts as WE for the purposes of BigLaw hiring.

Sorry dude...go back to bed....I have been designing software for years...

[Stringer Bell]

No i am saying WUSTL +5yrsWE > NU + OyrsWE

I'm not taking a position one way or another on that, but you may be right.

He is not right.

I wasn't really conceding anything. Just picking my spots and chose not to focus on this since it didn't seem relevant to the initial position that was taken.

[DerrickRose]

Romo, no need to killself. As I explained previously, you're T20 secure. Had you told me you were going to UIUC, I would have advised immolation.

Damn, for once, you beat me to it. I was going to advise seppuku, but immolation is equally credited.

AA, I couldn't for the life of me stand idle anymore and let you steal my thunder. It was my time to shine and I took it . And I'm a better person for it.

Yes, you are better for it. We are all better for it.

Now, for those of you who have not been deemed BigLaw or T20 Secure (redundant since those two things are now synonymous), please go ahead and

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Damn, Illinois is such epic fail.

[itsmytime10]

True...but i highly doubt that a NU student with 0 years of WE, will do better in finding a job than say..a WashU student with 4 years of solid WE[/quote]

No i am saying WUSTL +5yrsWE > NU + OyrsWE[/quote]

Lol this is retarded. This isn't how the real world works. WE in your field trumps all. WE in some random other thing...who the fuck cares?[/quote]

Dude no one here is talking about WE in some random field.[/quote]

Do you happen to be a patent agent?

Because that is one of the few exceptions to the general rule. Because you get real job experience for the job you seeking.[/quote]

Nope...anyway i have some friends doing Patent law at NU...will hook u up with them..

[romothesavior]

Seriously... how f*cked are we? I am as depressed and pessimistic now as I have been throughout this entire cycle (not because of this article... just a lot of shit building up). I feel like I am walking into a minefield.

[D. H2Oman]

Seriously... how f*cked are we? I am as depressed and pessimistic now as I have been throughout this entire cycle (not because of this article... just a lot of shit building up). I feel like I am walking into a minefield.

nah dude, our lives aren't already ruined. We just need to be realistic about things. Don't be like this idiot who thinks he's guaranteed 160K out of UIUC because he has an MS in software design.

[Grizz]

So I missed a lot of this thread, but it is of interest to me. Did people ever come to a conclusion about whether T20 means T17/18 or goes all the way down to an Emory-ish area?

[romothesavior]

Seriously... how f*cked are we? I am as depressed and pessimistic now as I have been throughout this entire cycle (not because of this article... just a lot of shit building up). I feel like I am walking into a minefield.

nah dude, our lives aren't already ruined. We just need to be realistic about things. Don't be like this idiot who thinks he's guaranteed 160K out of UIUC because he has an MS in software design.

Yeah I guess... Maybe I spent too much time on ATL and JDU today.

[itsmytime10]

Seriously... how f*cked are we? I am as depressed and pessimistic now as I have been throughout this entire cycle (not because of this article... just a lot of shit building up). I feel like I am walking into a minefield.

nah dude, our lives aren't already ruined. We just need to be realistic about things. Don't be like this idiot who thinks he's guaranteed 160K out of UIUC because he has an MS in software design.

lol. Funny.

realistic, as in...you will settle for the 60k job...i just hope u dont owe 200k too. me..it is 160k or nada

[270910]

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[D. H2Oman]

lol. Funny.

realistic, as in...you will settle for the 60k job...i just hope u dont owe 200k too. me..it is 160k or nada

Well at least you'll have that JD degree hanging on the wall in 4 years when you're back designing software. Totally worth 3 years of lost wages plus the money school will cost you imo.

[romothesavior]

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Seriously... how f*cked are we? I am as depressed and pessimistic now as I have been throughout this entire cycle (not because of this article... just a lot of shit building up). I feel like I am walking into a minefield.

nah dude, our lives aren't already ruined. We just need to be realistic about things. Don't be like this idiot who thinks he's guaranteed 160K out of UIUC because he has an MS in software design.

lol. Funny.

realistic, as in...you will settle for the 60k job...i just hope u dont owe 200k too. me..it is 160k or nada

Here's to hoping you get nada.

[itsmytime10]

lol. Funny.

realistic, as in...you will settle for the 60k job...i just hope u dont owe 200k too. me..it is 160k or nada

Well at least you'll have that JD degree hanging on the wall in 4 years when you're back designing software. Totally worth 3 years of lost wages plus the money school will cost you imo.

Definitely better than 200k+ in debt and making 50k.

[romothesavior]

lol. Funny.

realistic, as in...you will settle for the 60k job...i just hope u dont owe 200k too. me..it is 160k or nada

Well at least you'll have that JD degree hanging on the wall in 4 years when you're back designing software. Totally worth 3 years of lost wages plus the money school will cost you imo.

Definitely better than 200k+ in debt and making 50k.

Good thing I'm not going 200k in debt then, right?

[itsmytime10]

lol. Funny.

realistic, as in...you will settle for the 60k job...i just hope u dont owe 200k too. me..it is 160k or nada

Well at least you'll have that JD degree hanging on the wall in 4 years when you're back designing software. Totally worth 3 years of lost wages plus the money school will cost you imo.

Definitely better than 200k+ in debt and making 50k.

Good thing I'm not going 200k in debt then, right?

just great...another smart kid who is not paying sticker.

Hey DesertF, where are you?

[Grizz]

Scholarship recipients have to be thankful for those paying sticker, who I guess somewhat subsidize those scholarships.

[romothesavior]

just great...another smart kid who is not paying sticker.

Just great... another guy a few years outta college who thinks his years in the "real world" makes him more enlightened than us moron undergrads.