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law firm employment: depends on law school or grades?
I have a general question about legal employment, summer associate or long-term employment.
I've heard from other people that in order to land a good job ($100K+ salary/good pay during the summer/prestigious law firm), employers look at the law school you go to. I've also heard that your GPA is also important.
So is it true that top law schools students or graduates are a priority to employers? What about grades? Shouldn't grades be the important factor at the end? What if you go to an average school but get good grades?
What else do employers look at besides law school and GPA?
Thank you in advance. =)
I've heard from other people that in order to land a good job ($100K+ salary/good pay during the summer/prestigious law firm), employers look at the law school you go to. I've also heard that your GPA is also important.
So is it true that top law schools students or graduates are a priority to employers? What about grades? Shouldn't grades be the important factor at the end? What if you go to an average school but get good grades?
What else do employers look at besides law school and GPA?
Thank you in advance. =)
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Re: law firm employment: depends on law school or grades?
it depends on both. the worse your school, the better grades you need. for a lower T2, you need to be top 10% to land a really good job. for a school in the 20-50 range, you probably need to be in the top 1/3. T20 - usually top 1/2 is in really good shape. Often the bottom 1/2 is also in good shape out of T14.
of course you know the economy is terrible right now, so at this point it is hard to base future expectations on past results
of course you know the economy is terrible right now, so at this point it is hard to base future expectations on past results
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Hahahaha... not even close. Perhaps 3 years ago...for a lower T2, you need to be top 10% to land a really good job. for a school in the 20-50 range, you probably need to be in the top 1/3. T20 - usually top 1/2 is in really good shape. Often the bottom 1/2 is also in good shape out of T14.
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Re: law firm employment: depends on law school or grades?
...how? I know plenty of law review kids who struck out at OCI this year.thesealocust wrote:Sure, but it still demonstrates beautifully the relationship between school and grades.edgarderby wrote:*CLASS OF 2005*
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Re: law firm employment: depends on law school or grades?
ITE, networking is probably the most important legal employment related factor.
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I heard it was 10% at ND to even have a shot this year. Is that accurate?edgarderby wrote:...how? I know plenty of law review kids who struck out at OCI this year.thesealocust wrote:Sure, but it still demonstrates beautifully the relationship between school and grades.edgarderby wrote:*CLASS OF 2005*
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I wouldn't call it the most important- at least for biglaw.ITE, networking is probably the most important legal employment related factor.
Candidate A: All Hs from Yale, has no connections
Candidate B: 2.5 from the local TTT, best friends with a hiring partner
Candidate A is almost certain to get biglaw, while candidate B is almost certain NOT to get biglaw. Or even a more realistic scenario:
Candidate A: 3.4 from Duke, no connections
Candidate B: 3.2 from GW, best friends with a hiring partner
Candidate A still is probably going to win. This is because firms have certain hiring cutoffs based on school/grades that are very difficult to significantly bend (especially ITE). That hiring partner friend still has to go to her hiring committee and justify why she wants to take a "less qualified" applicant. True, there are exceptions (cue Matthies), but they are exceedingly rare- especially in major markets. I've literally seen a chart that one firm used giving different percentile cutoffs for each school.
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I heard it was 10% at ND to even have a shot this year. Is that accurate?[/quoteDesert Fox wrote:edgarderby wrote:...how? I know plenty of law review kids who struck out at OCI this year.thesealocust wrote:Sure, but it still demonstrates beautifully the relationship between school and grades.edgarderby wrote: *CLASS OF 2005*
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Hard to estimate top 10% since we don't rank, but law review is higher than that, and most of them struck out...so I'd say top 5% for major markets.
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I was worried about Eding at Nothwestern because I might have got money at somewhere like WUSTL, UIUC or ND, but I'm glad I didn't. Most LR striking out? Holy fucking shit is right.TTT-LS wrote:Holy shit. Really? NOTE TO CLASS OF 2013 APPLICANTS.edgarderby wrote:law review is higher than that, and most of them struck out...so I'd say top 5% for major markets.
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Holy balls.edgarderby wrote:Hard to estimate top 10% since we don't rank, but law review is higher than that, and most of them struck out...so I'd say top 5% for major markets.
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oh yeah? well at my school only top 0.2% gets work in major markets.
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Wait, what? Elaborate please.swheat wrote:oh yeah? well at my school only top 0.2% gets work in major markets.
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Naw I was just kidding...top 15% at Hastings is still doing quite well as far as I know.OperaSoprano wrote:Wait, what? Elaborate please.swheat wrote:oh yeah? well at my school only top 0.2% gets work in major markets.
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ITT.... I just laugh.
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you seem to laugh at a lot of unfunny things latelyreasonable_man wrote:ITT.... I just laugh.
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swheat wrote:you seem to laugh at a lot of unfunny things latelyreasonable_man wrote:ITT.... I just laugh.
Not really... This is pretty funny.. A thread asking about whether grades and school ranking is important? That's pretty funny as the answer should be pretty fucking obvious; no?
As for the breakdown of the thread to the conversation of ITE; if that stopped me from laughing at something else that's funny, I wouldn't really get to laugh anymore, now would I? ITE is everywhere. Not going to let it stop me from laughing at something else.
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thesealocust wrote:reasonable_man on Zen in the Modern Economic Crisis.reasonable_man wrote:ITE is everywhere. Not going to let it stop me from laughing at something else.
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edgarderby wrote:Hard to estimate top 10% since we don't rank, but law review is higher than that, and most of them struck out...so I'd say top 5% for major markets.
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Oh yeah I agree dumb thread. I thought you were laughing about the shitty OCI outcomes.reasonable_man wrote:swheat wrote:you seem to laugh at a lot of unfunny things latelyreasonable_man wrote:ITT.... I just laugh.
Not really... This is pretty funny.. A thread asking about whether grades and school ranking is important? That's pretty funny as the answer should be pretty fucking obvious; no?
As for the breakdown of the thread to the conversation of ITE; if that stopped me from laughing at something else that's funny, I wouldn't really get to laugh anymore, now would I? ITE is everywhere. Not going to let it stop me from laughing at something else.
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