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To all those accepted at Penn, can anybody confirm or deny the prestigious UG requirement for admission?

CrossingMyFingers wrote:To all those accepted at Penn, can anybody confirm or deny the prestigious UG requirement for admission?

Look on LSN. Plenty of people with non-prestigious UGs are getting in, I'm sure.

A friend of mine works at Penn. Last year she was given the task to compile the student profile. 10% of the class went to Penn UG and another 10% was the other 7 ivys. Adding in Stanford MIT Caltech Chicago NWestern JHU and the other "prestigious" schools probably gives you another 10%.

Of course that is the class profile not the admisssions profile, but it should give you an idea that it's not a big deal.

CrossingMyFingers wrote:To all those accepted at Penn, can anybody confirm or deny the prestigious UG requirement for admission?

I currently attend a TTT undergrad (Seton Hall) and will most likely be attending Penn Law with a smallish scholarsihp. It's not a requirement. That would be ridiculous. But is it unusual for a top school to want students from top schools?

There's a correlation between undergrad prestige/rank and LSAT scores of applicants. So, it's impossible to conclude a bias or preference based on the proportion of students with that background at a top law school.

sbalive wrote:There's a correlation between undergrad prestige/rank and LSAT scores of applicants. So, it's impossible to conclude a bias or preference based on the proportion of students with that background at a top law school.

Agreed. I have on problem admitting that most of the people I know who attended Ivies and other top schools are a heck of a lot smarter than most of the people I know here at Seton Hall. There are exceptions, of course. But if there is any kind of bias, its a bias towards better applicants. Which is hardly surprising.

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wait, which upenn state campus are you talking about? The one in philly or the one in State College?

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hmm, i see. upenn state - philly. That's the one with dickinson school of law, right? they're ranked pretty high this year

darkarmour wrote:hmm, i see. upenn state - philly. That's the one with dickinson school of law, right? they're ranked pretty high this year

wtf?

green wrote:

darkarmour wrote:hmm, i see. upenn state - philly. That's the one with dickinson school of law, right? they're ranked pretty high this year

wtf?

yeah, penn state philly, dickinson school of law - they're ranked 8th this year, right?

darkarmour wrote:

green wrote:

darkarmour wrote:hmm, i see. upenn state - philly. That's the one with dickinson school of law, right? they're ranked pretty high this year

wtf?

yeah, penn state philly, dickinson school of law - they're ranked 8th this year, right?

Is this a joke?

Based on the LSAC "Prelaw Advisor Action Report" for my school, I'd say Penn gives less of a benefit to students from elite UGs than any of its peers. In 06-07 (the most recent year for which I have numbers) here are the applicant stats from Stanford UG for Penn and some of its peer schools:

Numbers are the mean LSAT/GPA of the group.

UVA: 66 applicants, 165.7/3.59. 27 accepted, 170.6/3.69 (41% acceptance rate)
Michigan: 82 applicants, 165.8/3.60. 26 accepted, 170.5/3.69 (32% acceptance rate)
Chicago: 88 applicants, 165.8/3.64. 23 accepted, 169.3/3.70 (26% acceptance rate)
Boalt: 156 applicants, 164.6/3.59. 51 accepted, 168.3/3.75 (33% acceptance rate)
Penn: 85 applicants, 165.4/3.61. 16 accepted, 168.8/3.86 (19% acceptance rate)

Percentage-wise, for Stanford undergrads, Penn was also tougher to get into than NYU, Columbia, Stanford, and Harvard, and had the same acceptance rate as Yale. The numbers from 05-06, even though it was an easier year overall, show a similar general pattern. I can say that this mirrored my own experience this cycle, as I was waitlisted at Penn, despite showing a lot of interest, having a decent profile, and getting into NYU and Columbia. As to why they do this, I can't say. I'm sure their admissions office has a lot of information built up - maybe they've found it best not to admit high percentages of elite UG students with numbers within their ranges because these students end up getting into better schools - in 05-06, only 2 out of 24 admits attended Penn, and in 06-06, it was 3 out of 16. Not that it's neccessarily a YP tactic - I just don't know.

But to answer your original question, no, I don't think there's any sort of unofficial "elite UG requirement" at Penn. If anything, you've got a better shot there (comparatively) than at a lot of other schools.

HotelLautreamont wrote:Based on the LSAC "Prelaw Advisor Action Report" for my school, I'd say Penn gives less of a benefit to students from elite UGs than any of its peers. In 06-07 (the most recent year for which I have numbers) here are the applicant stats from Stanford UG for Penn and some of its peer schools:

Numbers are the mean LSAT/GPA of the group.

UVA: 66 applicants, 165.7/3.59. 27 accepted, 170.6/3.69 (41% acceptance rate)
Michigan: 82 applicants, 165.8/3.60. 26 accepted, 170.5/3.69 (32% acceptance rate)
Chicago: 88 applicants, 165.8/3.64. 23 accepted, 169.3/3.70 (26% acceptance rate)
Boalt: 156 applicants, 164.6/3.59. 51 accepted, 168.3/3.75 (33% acceptance rate)
Penn: 85 applicants, 165.4/3.61. 16 accepted, 168.8/3.86 (19% acceptance rate)

Percentage-wise, for Stanford undergrads, Penn was also tougher to get into than NYU, Columbia, Stanford, and Harvard, and had the same acceptance rate as Yale. The numbers from 05-06, even though it was an easier year overall, show a similar general pattern. I can say that this mirrored my own experience this cycle, as I was waitlisted at Penn, despite showing a lot of interest, having a decent profile, and getting into NYU and Columbia. As to why they do this, I can't say. I'm sure their admissions office has a lot of information built up - maybe they've found it best not to admit high percentages of elite UG students with numbers within their ranges because these students end up getting into better schools - in 05-06, only 2 out of 24 admits attended Penn, and in 06-06, it was 3 out of 16. Not that it's neccessarily a YP tactic - I just don't know.

But to answer your original question, no, I don't think there's any sort of unofficial "elite UG requirement" at Penn. If anything, you've got a better shot there (comparatively) than at a lot of other schools.

Perhaps Penn merely realizes that Stanford undergrad is where rich kids who couldn't get into Berkeley go & disrespects it accordingly?

Nope, I went to a TTT undergrad and I'm in
....my school is actually very close to caoyun's

underachiever wrote:Nope, I went to a TTT undergrad and I'm in
....my school is actually very close to caoyun's

Where do you go, if you don't mind me asking?

sbalive wrote:There's a correlation between undergrad prestige/rank and LSAT scores of applicants. So, it's impossible to conclude a bias or preference based on the proportion of students with that background at a top law school.

+1

Just to clarify for those who are confused. The University of Pennsylvania is NOT Penn State. It's an Ivy League University in Philadelphia & is ranked as a Top 10 Law School. It is generally called Penn, not to be confused with Penn State.

Vanessa583 wrote:Just to clarify for those who are confused. The University of Pennsylvania is NOT Penn State. It's an Ivy League University in Philadelphia & is ranked as a Top 10 Law School. It is generally called Penn, not to be confused with Penn State.

Thanks for bumping a 9 month old thread with that nugget of information. I'm sure most people on this site needed clarification, because there's no way that darkarmour's responses could've been sarcastic!

Sal Paradise wrote:

Vanessa583 wrote:Just to clarify for those who are confused. The University of Pennsylvania is NOT Penn State. It's an Ivy League University in Philadelphia & is ranked as a Top 10 Law School. It is generally called Penn, not to be confused with Penn State.

Thanks for bumping a 9 month old thread with that nugget of information. I'm sure most people on this site needed clarification, because there's no way that darkarmour's responses could've been sarcastic!

hahaha people who go to penn are so insecure

Vanessa583 wrote:Just to clarify for those who are confused. The University of Pennsylvania is NOT Penn State. It's an Ivy League University in Philadelphia & is ranked as a Top 10 Law School. It is generally called Penn, not to be confused with Penn State.

Hahaha how's Joe P doing?

darkarmour wrote:wait, which upenn state campus are you talking about? The one in philly or the one in State College?

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