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Re: HYS is dead! Long live ChiYS!

Post by cavalier1138 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:30 am

This is the kind of high-quality drama the forums need.

But out of sheer curiosity, is this really all tied to the bar passage changes? Or did something else shift in the USNWR methodology?

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Re: HYS is dead! Long live ChiYS!

Post by nixy » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:58 am

I saw someone say they incorporated graduate debt, but haven’t checked so that could be totally wrong.

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Re: HYS is dead! Long live ChiYS!

Post by dabigchina » Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:29 am

This reminds me of when gulc fell out of the t14.

I see they have been quietly restored.

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Re: HYS is dead! Long live ChiYS!

Post by The Lsat Airbender » Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:41 am

cavalier1138 wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:30 am
This is the kind of high-quality drama the forums need.

But out of sheer curiosity, is this really all tied to the bar passage changes? Or did something else shift in the USNWR methodology?
Bar passage, maybe, but LSAT score inflation is probably the biggest culprit here. LSAT's component of the methodology is z-scored, so if 173 and 171 become 174 and 172 then the gap, for rankings purposes, has actually narrowed between Chicago and Harvard.

Also worth mentioning is the USN formula's structural bias in favor of small schools pretty much guaranteed that Chicago would steal a march on Harvard sometime in the next decade or so (and is why Stanford overtook them earlier and why Yale was always #1 even last century), so long as they kept spending money.

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Re: HYS is dead! Long live ChiYS!

Post by sillygoose123 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:10 pm

The Lsat Airbender wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:41 am
cavalier1138 wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:30 am
This is the kind of high-quality drama the forums need.

But out of sheer curiosity, is this really all tied to the bar passage changes? Or did something else shift in the USNWR methodology?
Bar passage, maybe, but LSAT score inflation is probably the biggest culprit here. LSAT's component of the methodology is z-scored, so if 173 and 171 become 174 and 172 then the gap, for rankings purposes, has actually narrowed between Chicago and Harvard.

Also worth mentioning is the USN formula's structural bias in favor of small schools pretty much guaranteed that Chicago would steal a march on Harvard sometime in the next decade or so (and is why Stanford overtook them earlier and why Yale was always #1 even last century), so long as they kept spending money.
do you think this is momentary or more long-term?

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Re: HYS is dead! Long live ChiYS!

Post by The Lsat Airbender » Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:33 pm

sillygoose123 wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:10 pm
The Lsat Airbender wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:41 am
cavalier1138 wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:30 am
This is the kind of high-quality drama the forums need.

But out of sheer curiosity, is this really all tied to the bar passage changes? Or did something else shift in the USNWR methodology?
Bar passage, maybe, but LSAT score inflation is probably the biggest culprit here. LSAT's component of the methodology is z-scored, so if 173 and 171 become 174 and 172 then the gap, for rankings purposes, has actually narrowed between Chicago and Harvard.

Also worth mentioning is the USN formula's structural bias in favor of small schools pretty much guaranteed that Chicago would steal a march on Harvard sometime in the next decade or so (and is why Stanford overtook them earlier and why Yale was always #1 even last century), so long as they kept spending money.
do you think this is momentary or more long-term?
think what is momentary?

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Re: HYS is dead! Long live ChiYS!

Post by sillygoose123 » Wed Mar 30, 2022 4:15 pm

The Lsat Airbender wrote:
Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:33 pm
sillygoose123 wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:10 pm
The Lsat Airbender wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:41 am
cavalier1138 wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:30 am
This is the kind of high-quality drama the forums need.

But out of sheer curiosity, is this really all tied to the bar passage changes? Or did something else shift in the USNWR methodology?
Bar passage, maybe, but LSAT score inflation is probably the biggest culprit here. LSAT's component of the methodology is z-scored, so if 173 and 171 become 174 and 172 then the gap, for rankings purposes, has actually narrowed between Chicago and Harvard.

Also worth mentioning is the USN formula's structural bias in favor of small schools pretty much guaranteed that Chicago would steal a march on Harvard sometime in the next decade or so (and is why Stanford overtook them earlier and why Yale was always #1 even last century), so long as they kept spending money.
do you think this is momentary or more long-term?
think what is momentary?
harvard falling out of the t3

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Re: HYS is dead! Long live ChiYS!

Post by The Lsat Airbender » Wed Mar 30, 2022 4:30 pm

sillygoose123 wrote:
Wed Mar 30, 2022 4:15 pm
The Lsat Airbender wrote:
Wed Mar 30, 2022 3:33 pm
sillygoose123 wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:10 pm
The Lsat Airbender wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:41 am
cavalier1138 wrote:
Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:30 am
This is the kind of high-quality drama the forums need.

But out of sheer curiosity, is this really all tied to the bar passage changes? Or did something else shift in the USNWR methodology?
Bar passage, maybe, but LSAT score inflation is probably the biggest culprit here. LSAT's component of the methodology is z-scored, so if 173 and 171 become 174 and 172 then the gap, for rankings purposes, has actually narrowed between Chicago and Harvard.

Also worth mentioning is the USN formula's structural bias in favor of small schools pretty much guaranteed that Chicago would steal a march on Harvard sometime in the next decade or so (and is why Stanford overtook them earlier and why Yale was always #1 even last century), so long as they kept spending money.
do you think this is momentary or more long-term?
think what is momentary?
harvard falling out of the t3
don't know don't care

like, it's hard to overstate how unimportant this is

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