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Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:41 am
by cantorb
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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:47 am
by pleadthafif
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Re: Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:53 am
by encore1101
pleadthafif wrote:I would just disclose everything. I doubt the adcomms care about speeding or parking tickets, but it could really screw you if you don't disclose when it comes time to sit for the bar from what I hear.
This. But if you just want to list what's required, you'd list all speeding tickets after the first. No, it doesn't make a difference your tickets are from different states.

Re: Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 10:54 am
by AReasonableMan
That's kind of a misnomer. A minor traffic violation is not a criminal misdemeanor.

Re: Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:11 am
by cantorb
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Re: Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:13 am
by A. Nony Mouse
Stuff like driving on a suspended license is a misdemeanor - I presume that's what they meant.

Re: Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:15 am
by cantorb
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Re: Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:17 am
by Pneumonia
I just wrote something like "I have received tickets for speeding. As best I can recall, the total is not in excess of seven." No need to itemize them or anything like that (if speeding/similar is the only thing you're listing).

Re: Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:17 am
by BigZuck
Just disclose everything and then you don't have to think about it any more

Re: Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:21 am
by A. Nony Mouse
cantorb wrote:
A. Nony Mouse wrote:Stuff like driving on a suspended license is a misdemeanor - I presume that's what they meant.
They specifically list speeding.
Right, I was addressing only the comment that minor traffic violations are not misdemeanors. It's not the best worded question, I agree.

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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:23 am
by pleadthafif
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Re: Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:56 am
by encore1101
cantorb wrote:
encore1101 wrote:
pleadthafif wrote:I would just disclose everything. I doubt the adcomms care about speeding or parking tickets, but it could really screw you if you don't disclose when it comes time to sit for the bar from what I hear.
This. But if you just want to list what's required, you'd list all speeding tickets after the first. No, it doesn't make a difference your tickets are from different states.
I'm mainly asking because The Law Dictionary defines 'first conviction' as a conviction taken into account in a subsequent sentencing - which wan't the case by any of mine. I don't want to look like an idiot listing all my traffic violations if they explicitly tell you not to list any that didn't have future repercussions. Do most applicants with multiple tickets (I'm assuming there are many people in that group) list them on the app?

I didn't go (or even apply) to Harvard, but I assume that they're not using "legal" terms of art. That definition is applicable mainly in one context -- at the time of sentencing of a subsequent crime. You're obviously not being sentenced for any crime by filling out a law school application, so I wouldn't use that as your defense for not disclosing.

Re: Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 12:06 pm
by AReasonableMan
A. Nony Mouse wrote:Stuff like driving on a suspended license is a misdemeanor - I presume that's what they meant.
I mean that's already a pretty serious violation, certainly more so than going 90 in a 60.

Re: Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:08 pm
by cantorb
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Re: Definition of 'first conviction' for traffic violations?

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 11:28 pm
by Pneumonia
cantorb wrote:
Pneumonia wrote:I just wrote something like "I have received tickets for speeding. As best I can recall, the total is not in excess of seven." No need to itemize them or anything like that (if speeding/similar is the only thing you're listing).
That sounds perfect - did you get in (assuming this you're a past applicant)?
Yes. It's just covering your bases- don't stress about it.