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If you lurk enough on here and read enough forums, you'll notice that NYU/Columbia are the talked about more than Cornell... why is that? In fact every T-14 is. No one really hypes Cornell. Yes it is a T-14 and its amazing if you get in but my question is why does no one fight to go there?

Everyone knows its a great school. It does have a bit of a low profile on here though. But if you hang around the choosing a law school forum enough, you'll see plenty of people advising other posters to take cornell with $ over cls/nyu/penn

I think the major problem is that its major market is NYC and both CLS and NYU are actually in NYC and have a better reputation within NYC so all things being equal I think other equally ranked schools are better because they often compete with less in their main markets.

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Clemenceau wrote:Everyone knows its a great school. It does have a bit of a low profile on here though. But if you hang around the choosing a law school forum enough, you'll see plenty of people advising other posters to take cornell with $ over cls/nyu/penn

why

basedvulpes wrote:

NigeranOU wrote:If you lurk enough on here and read enough forums, you'll notice that NYU/Columbia are the talked about more than Cornell... why is that? In fact every T-14 is. No one really hypes Cornell. Yes it is a T-14 and its amazing if you get in but my question is why does no one fight to go there?

Higher ranking + NYC.

Also not sure I would agree that every T14 is more hyped than Cornell. People in these fora certainly seem to hold it in higher regard than Georgetown or Michigan

Why is that? for someone who would want to go into big law, if said employer saw on their resume "cornell" how do you think they would judge

Clemenceau wrote:Everyone knows its a great school. It does have a bit of a low profile on here though. But if you hang around the choosing a law school forum enough, you'll see plenty of people advising other posters to take cornell with $ over cls/nyu/penn

depending on career goals I don't think that is good advice, a good clerkship is possible from NYU or Columbia but almost impossible from Cornell if I'm not mistaken.

NigeranOU wrote:

basedvulpes wrote:

NigeranOU wrote:If you lurk enough on here and read enough forums, you'll notice that NYU/Columbia are the talked about more than Cornell... why is that? In fact every T-14 is. No one really hypes Cornell. Yes it is a T-14 and its amazing if you get in but my question is why does no one fight to go there?

Higher ranking + NYC.

Also not sure I would agree that every T14 is more hyped than Cornell. People in these fora certainly seem to hold it in higher regard than Georgetown or Michigan

Why is that? for someone who would want to go into big law, if said employer saw on their resume "cornell" how do you think they would judge

They would clearly throw it in the trash. Check out LST:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/compare/ ... /gulc/nyu/

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Trippel wrote:

NigeranOU wrote:

basedvulpes wrote:

NigeranOU wrote:If you lurk enough on here and read enough forums, you'll notice that NYU/Columbia are the talked about more than Cornell... why is that? In fact every T-14 is. No one really hypes Cornell. Yes it is a T-14 and its amazing if you get in but my question is why does no one fight to go there?

Higher ranking + NYC.

Also not sure I would agree that every T14 is more hyped than Cornell. People in these fora certainly seem to hold it in higher regard than Georgetown or Michigan

Why is that? for someone who would want to go into big law, if said employer saw on their resume "cornell" how do you think they would judge

They would clearly throw it in the trash. Check out LST:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/compare/ ... /gulc/nyu/

jesus christ.

cdotson2 wrote:depending on career goals I don't think that is good advice, a good clerkship is possible from NYU or Columbia but almost impossible from Cornell if I'm not mistaken.

You're mistaken.

cdotson2 wrote:

Clemenceau wrote:Everyone knows its a great school. It does have a bit of a low profile on here though. But if you hang around the choosing a law school forum enough, you'll see plenty of people advising other posters to take cornell with $ over cls/nyu/penn

depending on career goals I don't think that is good advice, a good clerkship is possible from NYU or Columbia but almost impossible from Cornell if I'm not mistaken.

CLS and NYU are better schools. But I wouldn't say they are overwhelmingly better options if your goal is to clerk... Obviously there is a bit of self selection going on but still.

Cornell Fed Clerkship Rate: 9.9%
NYU Fed Clerkship Rate: 7.3%
Columbia Fed Clerkship Rate: 4.7%

Trippel wrote:

cdotson2 wrote:

Clemenceau wrote:Everyone knows its a great school. It does have a bit of a low profile on here though. But if you hang around the choosing a law school forum enough, you'll see plenty of people advising other posters to take cornell with $ over cls/nyu/penn

depending on career goals I don't think that is good advice, a good clerkship is possible from NYU or Columbia but almost impossible from Cornell if I'm not mistaken.

CLS and NYU are better schools. But I wouldn't say they are overwhelmingly better options if your goal is to clerk... Obviously there is a bit of self selection going on but still.

Cornell Fed Clerkship Rate: 9.9%
NYU Fed Clerkship Rate: 7.3%
Columbia Fed Clerkship Rate: 4.7%

alright I might be wrong, but what about level of clerk? how many district vs. feeder vs COA vs Supreme Court?

It's been hyped plenty, you just haven't been on the forums long enough.

cdotson2 wrote:

Trippel wrote:

cdotson2 wrote:

Clemenceau wrote:Everyone knows its a great school. It does have a bit of a low profile on here though. But if you hang around the choosing a law school forum enough, you'll see plenty of people advising other posters to take cornell with $ over cls/nyu/penn

depending on career goals I don't think that is good advice, a good clerkship is possible from NYU or Columbia but almost impossible from Cornell if I'm not mistaken.

CLS and NYU are better schools. But I wouldn't say they are overwhelmingly better options if your goal is to clerk... Obviously there is a bit of self selection going on but still.

Cornell Fed Clerkship Rate: 9.9%
NYU Fed Clerkship Rate: 7.3%
Columbia Fed Clerkship Rate: 4.7%

alright I might be wrong, but what about level of clerk? how many district vs. feeder vs COA vs Supreme Court?

I haven't seen a breakdown. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say that SCOTUS clerkship rate at all three is 0.00%.

Trippel wrote:

cdotson2 wrote:

Trippel wrote:

cdotson2 wrote:

Clemenceau wrote:Everyone knows its a great school. It does have a bit of a low profile on here though. But if you hang around the choosing a law school forum enough, you'll see plenty of people advising other posters to take cornell with $ over cls/nyu/penn

depending on career goals I don't think that is good advice, a good clerkship is possible from NYU or Columbia but almost impossible from Cornell if I'm not mistaken.

CLS and NYU are better schools. But I wouldn't say they are overwhelmingly better options if your goal is to clerk... Obviously there is a bit of self selection going on but still.

Cornell Fed Clerkship Rate: 9.9%
NYU Fed Clerkship Rate: 7.3%
Columbia Fed Clerkship Rate: 4.7%

alright I might be wrong, but what about level of clerk? how many district vs. feeder vs COA vs Supreme Court?

I haven't seen a breakdown. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say that SCOTUS clerkship rate at all three is 0.00%.

I did a count from a list of SCOTUS clerks on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_l ... ted_States

and cornell came out to 8
NYU was 44
and Columbia was 100+

cdotson2 wrote:

Clemenceau wrote:Everyone knows its a great school. It does have a bit of a low profile on here though. But if you hang around the choosing a law school forum enough, you'll see plenty of people advising other posters to take cornell with $ over cls/nyu/penn

depending on career goals I don't think that is good advice, a good clerkship is possible from NYU or Columbia but almost impossible from Cornell if I'm not mistaken.

Thoroughly wrong.

Also, taking a substantial scholarship at cornell over (near)sticker at cls/nyu is definitely good advice for someone who wants nyc biglaw.

There's a premium to be put on cls/nyu, for sure. But for many cross-admits, cornell is literally 100k+ cheaper.

Trippel wrote:I haven't seen a breakdown. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say that SCOTUS clerkship rate at all three is 0.00%.

Columbia has the 4th highest SCOTUS clerkship placement of all law schools

http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leit ... f-law.html this article is from 2007 about federal appellate clerkships but Cornell is not in the top 20 for number placed and barely in the top 25 for percentage placed

cdotson2 wrote:

Trippel wrote:I haven't seen a breakdown. But I'm going to go out on a limb and say that SCOTUS clerkship rate at all three is 0.00%.

Columbia has the 4th highest SCOTUS clerkship placement of all law schools

I think he was getting at the fact that no one gets scotus right out of law school, only after clerking for a year or two already.

Kinky John wrote:It's been hyped plenty, you just haven't been on the forums long enough.

?? I'm not saying its not hyped at all. Im saying other schools are hyped way more in comparison

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... news-.html Cornell is ranked 19th in this 2010 article for placement NYU is 17th and columbia is 8th

http://lawclerkaddict2009.blogspot.com/ ... chart.html

2009 data from law clerk addict

columbia is 4th NYU is 5th and Cornell is 12th

cdotson2 wrote:http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leit ... f-law.html this article is from 2007 about federal appellate clerkships but Cornell is not in the top 20 for number placed and barely in the top 25 for percentage placed

I don't think anyone argued that cls/nyu arent superior for clerkships (at least I didn't). My point was that there are definitely times when cornell is a better choice for a prospective student than the other two.

Clemenceau wrote:

cdotson2 wrote:http://leiterlawschool.typepad.com/leit ... f-law.html this article is from 2007 about federal appellate clerkships but Cornell is not in the top 20 for number placed and barely in the top 25 for percentage placed

I don't think anyone argued that cls/nyu arent superior for clerkships (at least I didn't). My point was that there are definitely times when cornell is a better choice for a prospective student than the other two.

your point is valid. I don't know where this clerkship stuff came from, I'm solely focused on big law. So in terms of debt and relatively the same placing, I now understand that Cornell can be a great decision

NigeranOU wrote: your point is valid. I don't know where this clerkship stuff came from, I'm solely focused on big law. So in terms of debt and relatively the same placing, I now understand that Cornell can be a great decision

well your orginal question was why Cornell isn't as hyped as Columbia and NYU part of that is because they have significantly better clerkship placement. but you are right it can be the better option in some instances, it depends on career path.