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Relevant Class vs. Better GPA

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:22 pm
by mattf
I'm majoring in Chemistry so I thought it would be prudent to take a few government/law classes throughout my undergrad years so that I know exactly what I'm getting into. Anyways, I'm taking a Law and Politics classes this semester and next semester I'm taking a Constitutional Law class.

I've heard this Constitutional Law class is treated very similarly to a law class (a lot is expected of you, teacher calls upon students randomly and often throughout the semester, etc.) and is very time-consuming/hard to obtain a good grade. I think I would be really interested in the class and I think it would be a good class for me to take so I have some experience in classes related to law but is it worth taking if it would mean not getting an amazing grade in it?

Re: Relevant Class vs. Better GPA

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:29 pm
by Username123
mattf wrote:I'm majoring in Chemistry so I thought it would be prudent to take a few government/law classes throughout my undergrad years so that I know exactly what I'm getting into. Anyways, I'm taking a Law and Politics classes this semester and next semester I'm taking a Constitutional Law class.

I've heard this Constitutional Law class is treated very similarly to a law class (a lot is expected of you, teacher calls upon students randomly and often throughout the semester, etc.) and is very time-consuming/hard to obtain a good grade. I think I would be really interested in the class and I think it would be a good class for me to take so I have some experience in classes related to law but is it worth taking if it would mean not getting an amazing grade in it?
No. Take the classes you're going to get good grades in. A 4.0 in basket weaving is a 4.0 in admissions' eyes.

Re: Relevant Class vs. Better GPA

Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:47 pm
by RZ5646
Does your school do pass/fail grades? You can always take that option a couple times if you want to protect your gpa.

Re: Relevant Class vs. Better GPA

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 5:51 am
by KMart
GPA: it's a numbers game. The relevant classes are nice in a sense that you can get a feel for the material and test your interests, but I'd rather just take the easy A if that was an option.

Re: Relevant Class vs. Better GPA

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:14 am
by Skool
lol, OP. This is all good advice for getting into a top law school.

Pay attention to the fact that the credited response for success in the admissions game is to distance yourself from intellectual curiosity if it requires risk taking.

Ask yourself: does this sound like the prelude to good things in the future? Hint: it isn't.

Re: Relevant Class vs. Better GPA

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:31 am
by hillz
OP, if you decide not to take the Constitutional Law class you should consider doing some outside work either next semester or when you have time for your own intellectual curiosity's sake. Coursera & edX are online learning platforms that often have relevant classes (for free) taught by superstar professors. I've taken a few classes myself outside of my job, and it's been really nice to learn something + talk to other students across the world.

Re: Relevant Class vs. Better GPA

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:02 pm
by encore1101
One of my coworkers went to Harvard Law after being a french art history major in college, and got a 4.0.

It sucks, but law schools don't look at the courses that you took in calculating your GPA, or to some extent, what undergrad you even went to. Gotta learn to play the game.

Re: Relevant Class vs. Better GPA

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:08 pm
by fats provolone
Skool wrote:lol, OP. This is all good advice for getting into a top law school.

Pay attention to the fact that the credited response for success in the admissions game is to distance yourself from intellectual curiosity if it requires risk taking.

Ask yourself: does this sound like the prelude to good things in the future? Hint: it isn't.
good post

Re: Relevant Class vs. Better GPA

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:27 pm
by BigZuck
encore1101 wrote:One of my coworkers went to Harvard Law after being a french art history major in college, and got a 4.0.

It sucks, but law schools don't look at the courses that you took in calculating your GPA, or to some extent, what undergrad you even went to. Gotta learn to play the game.
Why does it suck and why would you begrudge her that?

Re: Relevant Class vs. Better GPA

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:38 pm
by encore1101
BigZuck wrote:
encore1101 wrote:One of my coworkers went to Harvard Law after being a french art history major in college, and got a 4.0.

It sucks, but law schools don't look at the courses that you took in calculating your GPA, or to some extent, what undergrad you even went to. Gotta learn to play the game.
Why does it suck and why would you begrudge her that?
I don't begrudge her at all. Odd that you'd think that. I think if you know you're going to law school, its the smart thing to do.

It sucks because someone with a higher GPA in an "easy" major is on better footing than someone with a slightly lower GPA in a more difficult major.

Re: Relevant Class vs. Better GPA

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:43 pm
by RZ5646
BigZuck wrote:
encore1101 wrote:One of my coworkers went to Harvard Law after being a french art history major in college, and got a 4.0.

It sucks, but law schools don't look at the courses that you took in calculating your GPA, or to some extent, what undergrad you even went to. Gotta learn to play the game.
Why does it suck and why would you begrudge her that?
I agree with this sentiment. Basically everything in life is a game; this is just a game that some of us are well suited for. If getting very high grades and standardized test scores isn't your thing, get on a career path that doesn't revolve around getting very high grades and standardized test scores. Go be a banker or an engineer or something and let the rest of us enjoy the fact that law doesn't require a preftigious undergrad school, prestigious internships, a STEM major, etc.

Re: Relevant Class vs. Better GPA

Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:53 pm
by Skool
RZ5646 wrote:
I agree with this sentiment. Basically everything in life is a game; this is just a game that some of us are well suited for. If getting very high grades and standardized test scores isn't your thing, get on a career path that doesn't revolve around getting very high grades and standardized test scores. Go be a banker or an engineer or something and let the rest of us enjoy the fact that law doesn't require a preftigious undergrad school, prestigious internships, a STEM major, etc.
Nietzsche wrote: What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more' ... Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: 'You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.'


I mean this in the least glib way possible: Get a life.