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Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:51 am
by DistressedDebt
Hi,

I am new to these forums and from a pretty nontraditional background so wanted to get everyone's take on my chances at a top law firm. So here is my background Stats:

1. Undergrad GPA from a state school: 3.4
2. Masters GPA from a state school: 3.9
2. Spent one year at J.P. Morgan at a presitigous debt/credit group
3. Spent one year and a half years at a top Investment Banking Firm (UBS) advising Banks and Lenders
4. Spent one year at a private equity firm focused on investing in banks and lenders
5. GMAT Score: 710, LSAT Score: 171

So overall about 3 years of work experience + masters. I would like to use law school to further understand the restructuring code and law in general. My goal upon graduation is to become a distressed debt lender and investor at a hedge fund.

So what do you guys think my chances are of getting into HYS?

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:27 am
by jcccc
0%.

Go join the army or go win the noble prize.

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:31 am
by tachikara
The 3.4 sinks you. If you want to go back into the business end of finance, law school is not worth it. B School / CFA would be better options. Or just read a hornbook on bankruptcy and be done with it.

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:32 am
by Chrstgtr
jcccc wrote:0%.

Go join the army or go win the noble prize.
Or continue to make money in a lucrative industry that does not require you to get a law degree.

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:37 am
by gatesome
what makes you non- traditional?

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:37 am
by DistressedDebt
tachikara wrote:The 3.4 sinks you. If you want to go back into the business end of finance, law school is not worth it. B School / CFA would be better options. Or just read a hornbook on bankruptcy and be done with it.
Thanks for your replies. If I really do want to attain a law degree, is it possible to get into HYS? I am willing to ED to Harvard Law

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:37 am
by whitespider
DistressedDebt wrote:Hi,

I am new to these forums and from a pretty nontraditional background so wanted to get everyone's take on my chances at a top law firm. So here is my background Stats:

1. Undergrad GPA from a state school: 3.42. Masters GPA from a state school: 3.9
2. Spent one year at J.P. Morgan at a presitigous debt/credit group
3. Spent one year and a half years at a top Investment Banking Firm (UBS) advising Banks and Lenders
4. Spent one year at a private equity firm focused on investing in banks and lenders
5. GMAT Score: 710,
LSAT Score: 171
So overall about 3 years of work experience + masters. I would like to use law school to further understand the restructuring code and law in general. My goal upon graduation is to become a distressed debt lender and investor at a hedge fund.
So what do you guys think my chances are of getting into HYS?
FTFY.

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:39 am
by DistressedDebt
gatesome wrote:what makes you non- traditional?
From my understanding, most people applying to law school do not have such finance experience or finance career goals. I thought the diversity would give me some edge.

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:43 am
by DistressedDebt
whitespider wrote:
DistressedDebt wrote:Hi,

I am new to these forums and from a pretty nontraditional background so wanted to get everyone's take on my chances at a top law firm. So here is my background Stats:

1. Undergrad GPA from a state school: 3.42. Masters GPA from a state school: 3.9
2. Spent one year at J.P. Morgan at a presitigous debt/credit group
3. Spent one year and a half years at a top Investment Banking Firm (UBS) advising Banks and Lenders
4. Spent one year at a private equity firm focused on investing in banks and lenders
5. GMAT Score: 710,
LSAT Score: 171
So overall about 3 years of work experience + masters. I would like to use law school to further understand the restructuring code and law in general. My goal upon graduation is to become a distressed debt lender and investor at a hedge fund.
So what do you guys think my chances are of getting into HYS?
FTFY.
Sighs.. so no shot because of my undergrad gpa? I guess all the other extras don't matter? What if I retake my LSAT exam and try to score higher?

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:44 am
by downbeat14
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Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:45 am
by gatesome
inb4 retake for 179

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:46 am
by whitespider
Right now you'd be dragging down both their medians. Hit a 176 plus and I suppose your odds bump up a bit from 0%, but not substantially.

http://harvard.lawschoolnumbers.com/stats/1314

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:54 am
by Mack.Hambleton
dont go to law school

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:21 am
by jcccc
a 176+ would increase his chances from 0% to ...... 0.5%

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:54 am
by hdunlop
jcccc wrote:0%.

Go join the army or go win the noble prize.
The noble Nobel

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:36 am
by jcccc
hdunlop wrote:
jcccc wrote:0%.

Go join the army or go win the noble prize.
The noble Nobel
Noble piece prize

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 8:06 am
by TheSpanishMain
Why Harvard specifically, anyway?

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:21 am
by gnomgnomuch
No shot at any of HYS, you might snag one of CCN, out at B, and prob in at like 3-5 of the rest of the schools. Your 3.4 is pretty bad for the top schools. A 173 would boost your admissions at all schools except for HYS and B.

Also, why law? You have experience in Finance, and it seems that you're both good and enjoy what you do. AND for you goals B SCHOOL is the much better scenario. At most B schools you can cross list classes in that schools Law school, so if you REALLY want to do that, you could just register for some law classes there.

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:30 am
by Nonconsecutive
DistressedDebt wrote:ED to Harvard Law
Too soon.

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:41 pm
by pancakes3
DistressedDebt wrote:I would like to use law school to further understand the restructuring code and law in general. My goal upon graduation is to become a distressed debt lender and investor at a hedge fund.
This is only a marginally better reason to go to law school than "God told me". Marginally.

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:15 pm
by 03152016
no shot
i had 3.42/179
didn't even apply hys

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:01 pm
by Cradle6
Brut wrote:no shot
i had 3.42/179
didn't even apply hys
Why not??

My friend got harvard last year with similar stats.

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:14 pm
by 03152016
Cradle6 wrote:
Brut wrote:no shot
i had 3.42/179
didn't even apply hys
Why not??

My friend got harvard last year with similar stats.
urm/top ug/strong softs/connections/higher numbers than mine?
if not one of the above, your friend got lucky

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:49 pm
by Cradle6
Brut wrote:
Cradle6 wrote:
Brut wrote:no shot
i had 3.42/179
didn't even apply hys
Why not??

My friend got harvard last year with similar stats.
urm/top ug/strong softs/connections/higher numbers than mine?
if not one of the above, your friend got lucky
Non-URM/no/no/no/slightly lower LSAT and slightly higher GPA.

Only thing was really good work experience, though he was still a k-JD

Re: Chances at HYS

Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:53 pm
by JamMasterJ
A 180 wouldn't even get you H. However you should really consider and MBA or cfa