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Ok guys and gals - does anyone have some insight into Northwestern ED? I've searched TLS and haven't been able to find much info. I'm a splitter applying for Fall 2015 but I've got a couple years of good work experience and it's my understanding that's a bigger plus at NU than it would be at some other schools. Anyways, bottom line is, does the full ride make this an ED program just for all-stars or does it function much like other ED programs?

Feel free to link to other posts if I've overlooked them. Seems like there would have already been discussion on this.

I think your numbers need to be a few points higher than the medians to have a solid chance of ED admission. But I wouldn't say it's strictly for "all-stars." Maybe they've become slightly more lenient with declining apps, but it's hard to say.

Too lazy to look up data points, especially when you can find your own pretty easily. If you're above their 75th LSAT, and between their 25th and 50th for GPA, you're probably good. At the very least, they should defer you and offer you a lot of money.

Who's lazy? I've got the data points. Was looking for some insights (e.g. personal experience). Your second sentence was helpful; though I'm right at the 75th, not above.

User1855 wrote:Who's lazy? I've got the data points. Was looking for some insights (e.g. personal experience). Your second sentence was helpful; though I'm right at the 75th, not above.

I think he was saying he is too lazy to look up the data points...

User1855 wrote:Ok guys and gals - does anyone have some insight into Northwestern ED? I've searched TLS and haven't been able to find much info. I'm a splitter applying for Fall 2015 but I've got a couple years of good work experience and it's my understanding that's a bigger plus at NU than it would be at some other schools. Anyways, bottom line is, does the full ride make this an ED program just for all-stars or does it function much like other ED programs?

Feel free to link to other posts if I've overlooked them. Seems like there would have already been discussion on this.

NU ED 1L here. Please pm me which will remind me to pm you when I'm not driving. Thanks

slexisl1024 wrote:

User1855 wrote:Ok guys and gals - does anyone have some insight into Northwestern ED? I've searched TLS and haven't been able to find much info. I'm a splitter applying for Fall 2015 but I've got a couple years of good work experience and it's my understanding that's a bigger plus at NU than it would be at some other schools. Anyways, bottom line is, does the full ride make this an ED program just for all-stars or does it function much like other ED programs?

Feel free to link to other posts if I've overlooked them. Seems like there would have already been discussion on this.

NU ED 1L here. Please pm me which will remind me to pm you when I'm not driving. Thanks

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FairchildFLT wrote:

User1855 wrote:Who's lazy? I've got the data points. Was looking for some insights (e.g. personal experience). Your second sentence was helpful; though I'm right at the 75th, not above.

I think he was saying he is too lazy to look up the data points...

...I think you're right. My bad twenty!

Yeah, ambiguous wording -- sorry.

Anyway. I would strongly, strongly recommend anyone with your numbers or thereabout to ED to NU. Worst case scenario, you get deferred to the RD pool and you lose your opportunity to ED to a different school. Best case scenario, you get to go to a top school for what probably amounts to what you have in your savings account from your grandparents sending you birthday money. I'd take that deal in a heartbeat.

twenty wrote:Yeah, ambiguous wording -- sorry.

Anyway. I would strongly, strongly recommend anyone with your numbers or thereabout to ED to NU. Worst case scenario, you get deferred to the RD pool and you lose your opportunity to ED to a different school. Best case scenario, you get to go to a top school for what probably amounts to what you have in your savings account from your grandparents sending you birthday money. I'd take that deal in a heartbeat.

Is this credited? Isn't NU ED a way for them to throw money at potential HYS admits? 3.4/170 doesn't exactly scream HYS to me.

Of course, if this were legit then I guess i would be EDing NU with my 3.4/173.

dabigchina wrote:

twenty wrote:Yeah, ambiguous wording -- sorry.

Anyway. I would strongly, strongly recommend anyone with your numbers or thereabout to ED to NU. Worst case scenario, you get deferred to the RD pool and you lose your opportunity to ED to a different school. Best case scenario, you get to go to a top school for what probably amounts to what you have in your savings account from your grandparents sending you birthday money. I'd take that deal in a heartbeat.

Is this credited? Isn't NU ED a way for them to throw money at potential HYS admits? 3.4/170 doesn't exactly scream HYS to me.

Of course, if this were legit then I guess i would be EDing NU with my 3.4/173.

The point is that it's dumb to ED anywhere else, so you might as well throw the hail mary to NU. And evidence suggests that a 3.4/173 with legit work experience won't be auto-rejected from the ED pile.

If you're pretty confident you'll end up with a full ride at CCNP, I might not ED NU -- but that's going to require at least a 173/3.9 or better. Other than that, NU places better than UVA, Berkeley, Michigan, Duke, etc., so you're not really at any disadvantage if you lock yourself into NU early on.

Yeah, it's a hail mary with non-HYS numbers, but you're going to apply there anyway; may as well make it an ED.

Makes sense about the Hail Mary.

One thing to note: as far as I'm aware of NU has yet to renew the scholarship for ED.theur website still specifically states it is for 2014 matriculants. If they don't renew ed becomes a terrible choice for op and myself.

dabigchina wrote:

twenty wrote:Yeah, ambiguous wording -- sorry.

Anyway. I would strongly, strongly recommend anyone with your numbers or thereabout to ED to NU. Worst case scenario, you get deferred to the RD pool and you lose your opportunity to ED to a different school. Best case scenario, you get to go to a top school for what probably amounts to what you have in your savings account from your grandparents sending you birthday money. I'd take that deal in a heartbeat.

Is this credited? Isn't NU ED a way for them to throw money at potential HYS admits? 3.4/170 doesn't exactly scream HYS to me.

Of course, if this were legit then I guess i would be EDing NU with my 3.4/173.

dabigchina wrote:Makes sense about the Hail Mary.

One thing to note: as far as I'm aware of NU has yet to renew the scholarship for ED.theur website still specifically states it is for 2014 matriculants. If they don't renew ed becomes a terrible choice for op and myself.

dabigchina wrote:

twenty wrote:Yeah, ambiguous wording -- sorry.

Anyway. I would strongly, strongly recommend anyone with your numbers or thereabout to ED to NU. Worst case scenario, you get deferred to the RD pool and you lose your opportunity to ED to a different school. Best case scenario, you get to go to a top school for what probably amounts to what you have in your savings account from your grandparents sending you birthday money. I'd take that deal in a heartbeat.

Is this credited? Isn't NU ED a way for them to throw money at potential HYS admits? 3.4/170 doesn't exactly scream HYS to me.

Of course, if this were legit then I guess i would be EDing NU with my 3.4/173.

They have renewed it this year. I am almost 90% sure that I am EDing to NU. 172/Foreign Grade equivalent of an A (LLB from India)
The knocks might be that I am a KJD though they may be mitigated by the fact that I have done a 5 year bachelors+law degree course after high school and have about 3 years of internship exp in various law firms..

#FingersCrossed

yashranade wrote:
They have renewed it this year. I am almost 90% sure that I am EDing to NU. 172/Foreign Grade equivalent of an A (LLB from India)
The knocks might be that I am a KJD though they may be mitigated by the fact that I have done a 5 year bachelors+law degree course after high school and have about 3 years of internship exp in various law firms..

#FingersCrossed

I am almost certain that what they mean by "working experience" only refers to full time w/e. But still, with a 172, there isn't much disadvantage of EDing NU since it's unlikely you will get a lot of money from CCN. Best of luck!!

Anyone have any insight into how this situation changes for URM applicants? Does this ED still make sense for a 3.4/170 AA?, or does the threshold drop a bit to 3.4/168 or something? It seems like those lower numbers would be less attractive for medians, but they're probably rarer than a 3.4/173 non-URM, so I wonder how someone with those numbers would fare.

is WE really THAT valuable for NU ED admissions? I'm in the middle 50% of their GPA (3.42) and with a LSAT above their 75th would it be too risky to ED NU at the cost of say Penn? I don't have any WE asides from internships over summers. I'll be applying straight from ugrad.

NU EDer here. I'd say that as a splitter you have a tough shot securing good money in the higher T14, so EDing NU likely wont hurt you. For nu, you have to show your knowledge of the school and your enthusiasm for its programs in your interview. Basically, "NU is better than the others in X respect...". X respect should relate to your demonstrated interests. PM me for more info.

User1855 wrote:Who's lazy? I've got the data points. Was looking for some insights (e.g. personal experience). Your second sentence was helpful; though I'm right at the 75th, not above.

@75th? I think its worth it to apply ED.

yashranade wrote:

dabigchina wrote:Makes sense about the Hail Mary.

One thing to note: as far as I'm aware of NU has yet to renew the scholarship for ED.theur website still specifically states it is for 2014 matriculants. If they don't renew ed becomes a terrible choice for op and myself.

dabigchina wrote:

twenty wrote:Yeah, ambiguous wording -- sorry.

Anyway. I would strongly, strongly recommend anyone with your numbers or thereabout to ED to NU. Worst case scenario, you get deferred to the RD pool and you lose your opportunity to ED to a different school. Best case scenario, you get to go to a top school for what probably amounts to what you have in your savings account from your grandparents sending you birthday money. I'd take that deal in a heartbeat.

Is this credited? Isn't NU ED a way for them to throw money at potential HYS admits? 3.4/170 doesn't exactly scream HYS to me.

Of course, if this were legit then I guess i would be EDing NU with my 3.4/173.

They have renewed it this year. I am almost 90% sure that I am EDing to NU. 172/Foreign Grade equivalent of an A (LLB from India)
The knocks might be that I am a KJD though they may be mitigated by the fact that I have done a 5 year bachelors+law degree course after high school and have about 3 years of internship exp in various law firms..

#FingersCrossed

No full time experience shouldnt be an auto knock. Just dont say, "im sorry i dont have full time exp." Be confident and refer to your experience as informing your goals in your presentation.

180kickflip wrote:Anyone have any insight into how this situation changes for URM applicants? Does this ED still make sense for a 3.4/170 AA?, or does the threshold drop a bit to 3.4/168 or something? It seems like those lower numbers would be less attractive for medians, but they're probably rarer than a 3.4/173 non-URM, so I wonder how someone with those numbers would fare.

Do not ED anywhere if you are AA with a 170+. You are looking at massive schollies from multiple schools. That is unless of course you would take Nw over any other t14.

For all other splitters, ED NW. My one regret from my cycle is not doing so. It is not as competitive as it probably should be.

not much, but this is how things looked as of a couple months ago

3.84/172 - Admit w/ $150k
3.84/171 - Admit w/ $150k
3.83/171 - Admit w/ $150k
3.69/172 - Admit w/ $150k
3.67/172 - Admit w/ $150k
3.66/171 - Admit w/ $150k
3.65/172 - Admit w/ $150k
3.60/173 - Admit w/ $150k
3.55/174 - Admit w/ $150k
3.49/170 - Deferred to RD -> WL
3.48/174 - Admit w/ $150k
3.30/171 - Deferred to RD -> WL -> Admit
3.09/175 - Deferred to RD -> WL -> Admit
2.90/174 - Deferred to RD -> Admit
2.54/173 - Deferred to RD -> WL -> Admit

of course, deferred to rd means they don't get the $$$
though they're still eligible for aid through the standard fin aid cycle
fwiw, if i had known at the time of applying that northwestern ed = $150k i would have done that

btw it's not a full-ride
$56,134 1L tuition
(3.64% tuition cost inflation per year)
$58,177 2L tuition
$60,295 3L tuition
grand total:
$174,606
subtract scholarship
$24,606 (pre-interest and fees)