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walterwhite wrote:also in 2 or 3 of those incidents i was alleged to have been "not cooperating with university officials."

That sounds bad but really all it means was that I was arguing with the RAs for writing us up. I wasn't belligerent, just really annoying. Regardless I was never actually found guilty of these charges.

How should i write about these allegations in the event I have to disclose them?

walterwhite wrote:ok but just to clarify, some schools only require you disclose incidents where you were found responsible, correct?

for example Georgetown asks:

1. Have you ever been the subject of any disciplinary action taken by any college or university?
2. Have you ever been placed on academic probation?
3. Have you ever been convicted of a criminal offense, or is any charge now pending against you for any crime other than a traffic violation?
4. Have you ever been separated from a branch of the armed forces of the United States under conditions other than favorable?
5. Has your college, university, graduate, or professional school course of study been interrupted for one or more terms for any reason?

I think for this question I would disclose only one incident, since disciplinary action was only taken against me once (i had to write an essay and attend an alcohol education meeting).

cron1834 wrote:1) you come across as pretty immature here, both in your stories and in your need to justify evading this on disclosures

2) anyone who's been through LS admissions with an addendum, myself included, will tell you these aren't a big deal; 95 percent of the outcome is numbers, and these incidents aren't nearly enough to change that

3) being disciplined pretty clearly seems to qualify as "disciplinary action" or proceedings. I'm not sure how this is even a question. Err on the side of disclosure or you'll risk trouble later with the bar by having a dishonest LS app. It may never come up, but what's the sense in risking it? Just give a straightforward account and don't try to justify anything.

walterwhite wrote:

cron1834 wrote:1) you come across as pretty immature here, both in your stories and in your need to justify evading this on disclosures

2) anyone who's been through LS admissions with an addendum, myself included, will tell you these aren't a big deal; 95 percent of the outcome is numbers, and these incidents aren't nearly enough to change that

3) being disciplined pretty clearly seems to qualify as "disciplinary action" or proceedings. I'm not sure how this is even a question. Err on the side of disclosure or you'll risk trouble later with the bar by having a dishonest LS app. It may never come up, but what's the sense in risking it? Just give a straightforward account and don't try to justify anything.

I don't think I was perfectly clear. Yes obviously being disciplined qualifies as disciplinary action. But does it count as disciplinary action when i was found NOT accountable? That was my question.

When I was charged with something, and there were "proceedings," but ultimately I received no punishment, does this count as "disciplinary action"?

ymmv wrote:

walterwhite wrote:

cron1834 wrote:1) you come across as pretty immature here, both in your stories and in your need to justify evading this on disclosures

2) anyone who's been through LS admissions with an addendum, myself included, will tell you these aren't a big deal; 95 percent of the outcome is numbers, and these incidents aren't nearly enough to change that

3) being disciplined pretty clearly seems to qualify as "disciplinary action" or proceedings. I'm not sure how this is even a question. Err on the side of disclosure or you'll risk trouble later with the bar by having a dishonest LS app. It may never come up, but what's the sense in risking it? Just give a straightforward account and don't try to justify anything.

I don't think I was perfectly clear. Yes obviously being disciplined qualifies as disciplinary action. But does it count as disciplinary action when i was found NOT accountable? That was my question.

When I was charged with something, and there were "proceedings," but ultimately I received no punishment, does this count as "disciplinary action"?

Jesus Christ, just write the fucking addendum. No one will give a shit; you have nothing to lose by writing it and potentially everything to lose by not writing it (unlikely, but it is always always always best to play it safe with C&F disclosure).

oxie wrote:Just disclose it. It's really not worth quibbling about whether or not a "proceeding" counts as an "action."

This type of stuff really shouldn't hurt you UNLESS your addendum comes across as immature or trying to shirk responsibility. In terms of how much detail to get into, you're going to want to keep things as to the point as possible. In my experience when people provide too much detail (because they think it's somehow exculpatory), it's usually counterproductive.

walterwhite wrote:

oxie wrote:Just disclose it. It's really not worth quibbling about whether or not a "proceeding" counts as an "action."

This type of stuff really shouldn't hurt you UNLESS your addendum comes across as immature or trying to shirk responsibility. In terms of how much detail to get into, you're going to want to keep things as to the point as possible. In my experience when people provide too much detail (because they think it's somehow exculpatory), it's usually counterproductive.

Any suggestions as to how I should word an incident where I was found NOT responsible? Like you said I don't want to sound immature. But if I say something like "I was allegedly arguing..." that sounds petty and immature.

But if I say "I was arguing" that makes it sound like I'm admitting guilt to something I was found not responsible for.

Or should I just state the charge ("uncooperative with RAs") and provide no further explanation?

walterwhite wrote:

oxie wrote:Just disclose it. It's really not worth quibbling about whether or not a "proceeding" counts as an "action."

This type of stuff really shouldn't hurt you UNLESS your addendum comes across as immature or trying to shirk responsibility. In terms of how much detail to get into, you're going to want to keep things as to the point as possible. In my experience when people provide too much detail (because they think it's somehow exculpatory), it's usually counterproductive.

Any suggestions as to how I should word an incident where I was found NOT responsible? Like you said I don't want to sound immature. But if I say something like "I was allegedly arguing..." that sounds petty and immature.

But if I say "I was arguing" that makes it sound like I'm admitting guilt to something I was found not responsible for.

Or should I just state the charge ("uncooperative with RAs") and provide no further explanation?

oxie wrote:

walterwhite wrote:

oxie wrote:Just disclose it. It's really not worth quibbling about whether or not a "proceeding" counts as an "action."

This type of stuff really shouldn't hurt you UNLESS your addendum comes across as immature or trying to shirk responsibility. In terms of how much detail to get into, you're going to want to keep things as to the point as possible. In my experience when people provide too much detail (because they think it's somehow exculpatory), it's usually counterproductive.

Any suggestions as to how I should word an incident where I was found NOT responsible? Like you said I don't want to sound immature. But if I say something like "I was allegedly arguing..." that sounds petty and immature.

But if I say "I was arguing" that makes it sound like I'm admitting guilt to something I was found not responsible for.

Or should I just state the charge ("uncooperative with RAs") and provide no further explanation?

Just state what happened. Something like "While socializing with friends in my dorm room on DATE, a resident assistant charged me with underage possession of alcohol and failure to cooperate with a university official. The disciplinary board found me guilty on the first charge but dropped the second charge. I completed X hours of community service and take full responsibility for my behavior."