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cron1834 wrote:Willamette is a true toilet. Shouldn't be on the radar.

L&C and UO are both good for environmental law ... but you're probably going to be unemployed if you come from either gunning for envirolaw. It's just not a thing where people get jobs. Quality of life is amazing in both regions, but if you actually want a real job, you need to retake for the T14.

I've lived for years in both cities, happy to answer questions about that. But, don't go.

clemenza wrote:Please, do not mention overall cost or compare the cost to "quality of education". I know my financials and am comfortable with paying for the remainder of tuition out of pocket. I am simply looking for advice on the schools, which is better, employment, quality of life, etc. Any input from former/current students would be great. Also, I've done my fair share of research on the employment market/statistics from each school and know what I am getting into, but and thoughts are still welcomed.

ImNoScar wrote:

clemenza wrote: Also, these are both too expensive for your goals, and both leave you with a coinflip's chance of becoming a lawyer. Why would you pay six figures for a 50% chance of never being a lawyer?

dmitriygolos wrote:

ImNoScar wrote:

clemenza wrote: Also, these are both too expensive for your goals, and both leave you with a coinflip's chance of becoming a lawyer. Why would you pay six figures for a 50% chance of never being a lawyer?

NEVER being a lawyer?

clemenza wrote:
Important notes:
-going for environmental law not realistic
-avid outdoorsman
-moving from the East Coast bad idea. locals are gonna have a big advantage over you.
-leaning towards Public Interest Law, not ruling out corporate as a SA or post-grad if grades/ranking permit
-would like to get a joint Masters degree prob a bad idea
-aiming to live out there permanently, declaring residency when I arrive.

Lewis & Clark Pros/Cons:
Pros:
-offered me $10,000 per year with good academic standing stipulation you would be way over paying
-I love Portland as a city and the close distance to Mt. Hood
-better faculty/student ratio shouldn't be a factor
-good resources whatever that means
-most of the legal jobs are in Portland there aren't many of them
-good clinical/center programs shouldn't be a factor
-#1 environmental law rank shouldn't be a factor

Cons:
-fairly expensive you would be way over paying
-cost of living in the area is higher than Eugene
-no option of joint masters degree prob a good thing
-no in-state tuition you would be way over paying

Oregon Pros/Cons:
Pros:
-offered me $10,000 per year, plus an addition $10,000 for 1L year you would be way over paying
-Eugene is a great town, college atmosphere--something I am used to and don't mind
-#5 environmental law program this should not be a factor
-Option for a joint Masters in Environmental Studies degree not worth it
-much lower cost of living
-fewer students in 1L than LC that doesn't matter
-eligible for in-state tuition for 2L, 3L still overpaying

Cons:
-higher faculty/student ratio shouldn't be a factor
-fewer clinics shouldn't be a factor
-2 hours from Portland

Please, do not mention overall cost or compare the cost to "quality of education".???? you bring up cost over and over again???? why are COL & tuition mentioned in your pros/cons if you don't want to talk about cost??? Quality of education shouldn't be a factor, since its similar everywhere. I know my financials and am comfortable with paying for the remainder of tuition out of pocket. I am simply looking for advice on the schools, which is better, employment, quality of life, etc. Any input from former/current students would be great. Also, I've done my fair share of research on the employment market/statistics from each school and know what I am getting into, but and thoughts are still welcomed.

Thanks!

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rad lulz wrote:

clemenza wrote:Thanks for all of your comments (good and bad) so far. Was accepted at Denver Law this morning. Adding it into the mix. Thoughts?

At sticker? That'd be the height of idiocy.

clemenza wrote:

rad lulz wrote:

clemenza wrote:Thanks for all of your comments (good and bad) so far. Was accepted at Denver Law this morning. Adding it into the mix. Thoughts?

At sticker? That'd be the height of idiocy.

I am going to negotiate. Not paying sticker. No scholarship offer and I won't be going.

shifty_eyed wrote:Lewis & Clark for SURE. They are the only school in the country to have an animal law program. I used to think animal law was all about campaigning to be able to take your companion monkey into the grocery store with you because of your social anxiety, but it's so much more!

Animal Law is the new Environmental Law -- it's going to be HUGE!

Animal Law is relevant to MANY different existing fields of law:
Criminal Law implications - can police just shoot dogs for no reason? (yes) Battered spouses often are afraid to leave because the abuser will keep/steal/kill their pets. Animal abusers are likely to abuse humans, so there is a movement for an animal abuser registry like a sex offender registry
Environmental Law - factory farming. In fact, at Lewis & Clark's Animal Law clinic they evaluated the Oregon Department of Agriculture’s (ODA) handling of the state’s National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) program with respect to Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs). How cool is that!!??
International Law - zoo policies worldwide, getting the use of animals in circuses banned

Lewis & Clark also offers an LLM in Animal Law so I guess if you go elsewhere, you can always go back later for that!

BigZuck wrote:

shifty_eyed wrote:Lewis & Clark for SURE. They are the only school in the country to have an animal law program. I used to think animal law was all about campaigning to be able to take your companion monkey into the grocery store with you because of your social anxiety, but it's so much more!

Animal Law is the new Environmental Law -- it's going to be HUGE!

Animal Law is relevant to MANY different existing fields of law:
Criminal Law implications - can police just shoot dogs for no reason? (yes) Battered spouses often are afraid to leave because the abuser will keep/steal/kill their pets. Animal abusers are likely to abuse humans, so there is a movement for an animal abuser registry like a sex offender registry
Environmental Law - factory farming. In fact, at Lewis & Clark's Animal Law clinic they evaluated the Oregon Department of Agriculture’s (ODA) handling of the state’s National Pollutant Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) program with respect to Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFOs). How cool is that!!??
International Law - zoo policies worldwide, getting the use of animals in circuses banned

Lewis & Clark also offers an LLM in Animal Law so I guess if you go elsewhere, you can always go back later for that!

Please tell me Lewis and Clark doesn't offer an LLM in anything, let alone animal law. I refuse to believe it, but I'm not going to google it because I'm afraid it's true and that will make me sad.

Eta: I googled it. Damn it.