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Their employment stats via http://employmentsummary.abaquestionnaire.org/ actually aren't as horrendous as I would have thought.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:Both are terrible schools. Don't go to either.
A pulse.jdul34839 wrote:What would give me a good shot at Stetson/FIU
It's not that this is bad advice, but you may literally be shitting on this person's dreams. Ok...figuratively shitting on their dreams. I don't understand why so many people on TLS have this attitude.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:Both are terrible schools. Don't go to either.
All reasonable TLSers want people to get the jobs they want and to not be buried by debt. Get a grip.leroyjenkins6969 wrote:It's not that this is bad advice, but you may literally be shitting on this person's dreams. Ok...figuratively shitting on their dreams. I don't understand why so many people on TLS have this attitude.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:Both are terrible schools. Don't go to either.
Sure, the job prospects coming out of those schools aren't great. But prospects must be evaluated against realistic alternatives, not unachievable ideals. Going to a law school like Stetson can actually be the prospect with the highest expected utility for some folks. I am disheartened that many TLSers can be so obtuse, and worse yet, offer advice that isn't applicable to everyone. Not all law students want "Big Law."
You can do a lot worse than a $60,000 job working as an attorney is a small firm. My guess is, you are doing worse right now.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:$200K in debt for a minimal boost to job prospects? Unless the alternative is prison-time, I don't think you could do much worse.
Plus $3,000 a month loan payments or a big tax bomb 25 years down the road. Sounds like the life.leroyjenkins6969 wrote:You can do a lot worse than a $60,000 job working as an attorney is a small firm. My guess is, you are doing worse right now.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:$200K in debt for a minimal boost to job prospects? Unless the alternative is prison-time, I don't think you could do much worse.
Yes, let everyone get the jobs they want. But you have no idea what kind of job OP wants. There are many successful people who go to schools like Stetson. To simply strike a not-so-stellar law school from the option set without considering the alternative prospects shows a gross misunderstanding of utility optimization.BigZuck wrote:All reasonable TLSers want people to get the jobs they want and to not be buried by debt. Get a grip.leroyjenkins6969 wrote:It's not that this is bad advice, but you may literally be shitting on this person's dreams. Ok...figuratively shitting on their dreams. I don't understand why so many people on TLS have this attitude.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:Both are terrible schools. Don't go to either.
Sure, the job prospects coming out of those schools aren't great. But prospects must be evaluated against realistic alternatives, not unachievable ideals. Going to a law school like Stetson can actually be the prospect with the highest expected utility for some folks. I am disheartened that many TLSers can be so obtuse, and worse yet, offer advice that isn't applicable to everyone. Not all law students want "Big Law."
By and large, these schools are where dreams and financial futures go to die. Literally.
There are a lot more unsuccessful people who go to a school like Stetson.leroyjenkins6969 wrote:Yes, let everyone get the jobs they want. But you have no idea what kind of job OP wants. There are many successful people who go to schools like Stetson. To simply strike a not-so-stellar law school from the option set without considering the alternative prospects shows a gross misunderstanding of utility optimization.BigZuck wrote:All reasonable TLSers want people to get the jobs they want and to not be buried by debt. Get a grip.leroyjenkins6969 wrote:It's not that this is bad advice, but you may literally be shitting on this person's dreams. Ok...figuratively shitting on their dreams. I don't understand why so many people on TLS have this attitude.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:Both are terrible schools. Don't go to either.
Sure, the job prospects coming out of those schools aren't great. But prospects must be evaluated against realistic alternatives, not unachievable ideals. Going to a law school like Stetson can actually be the prospect with the highest expected utility for some folks. I am disheartened that many TLSers can be so obtuse, and worse yet, offer advice that isn't applicable to everyone. Not all law students want "Big Law."
By and large, these schools are where dreams and financial futures go to die. Literally.
True, though your claim that there are more unsuccessful people than successful people at Stetson is unsupported, and without a working definition of successful, comes off as a non sequitur.Gooner91 wrote:
There are a lot more unsuccessful people who go to a school like Stetson.
There are some successful people who drop out of grade school, does not mean it is a good idea.
What exactly do you think a 56.5% employment score means? Don't make up numbers and throw them around as if they mean something. According to Law School Transparency, we know very little about the salary data for FIU and Stetson grads. One thing we do know is that for the Stetson class of 2010 (over three years ago), at least 10.8% made $60,000 or more.leroyjenkins6969 wrote:You can do a lot worse than a $60,000 job working as an attorney is a small firm. My guess is, you are doing worse right now.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:$200K in debt for a minimal boost to job prospects? Unless the alternative is prison-time, I don't think you could do much worse.
I think my initial point was, don't listen to anyone on the TLS forums. Especially those that spout phrases. So I actually agree with the philosoraptor.philosoraptor wrote:
What exactly do you think a 56.5% employment score means? Don't make up numbers and throw them around as if they mean something. According to Law School Transparency, we know very little about the salary data for FIU and Stetson grads. One thing we do know is that for the Stetson class of 2010 (over three years ago), at least 10.8% made $60,000 or more.
0Ls, please do your research with resources like LST and seek advice from people who have actually experienced the terrible legal hiring market; don't listen to morons who make up numbers, toss out unverified generalities, and spout phrases like "utility optimization."
Not when the alternatives are even crappier.BigZuck wrote:"Utility optimization?" Grow up kid. Here's a phrase for you: debt pwned with no job. That's what happens to far too many kids who attend these schools. Just because some people have good outcomes doesn't mean it's a good bet. It's totally fine to dismiss a school as an option when the average outcome is so crappy.
What's crappier than being 100K+ in debt and having worse job prospects than you started out with because people are afraid to hire JDs for non-lawyer jobs?leroyjenkins6969 wrote:Not when the alternatives are even crappier.BigZuck wrote:"Utility optimization?" Grow up kid. Here's a phrase for you: debt pwned with no job. That's what happens to far too many kids who attend these schools. Just because some people have good outcomes doesn't mean it's a good bet. It's totally fine to dismiss a school as an option when the average outcome is so crappy.
If the counterargument is just that it's bad to shit on people's dreams, you're resorting to ad hominem. It's against our cultural norms to give people unsolicited advice in real life, or to tell them not to pursue a dream they have. Unless the dreamer has been exposed to this before, it's natural for them to react with aggression to what they perceive to either be a threat or sign of disrespect. If anything that makes what people say on the forums more truthful. There's no fear of real life conflict to amend the responses. Like when you ask a child if you look fat, you get honest albeit discomforting advice.leroyjenkins6969 wrote:I think my initial point was, don't listen to anyone on the TLS forums. Especially those that spout phrases. So I actually agree with the philosoraptor.philosoraptor wrote:
What exactly do you think a 56.5% employment score means? Don't make up numbers and throw them around as if they mean something. According to Law School Transparency, we know very little about the salary data for FIU and Stetson grads. One thing we do know is that for the Stetson class of 2010 (over three years ago), at least 10.8% made $60,000 or more.
0Ls, please do your research with resources like LST and seek advice from people who have actually experienced the terrible legal hiring market; don't listen to morons who make up numbers, toss out unverified generalities, and spout phrases like "utility optimization."
I would say that people who have a paycheck to debt ration that crushes their soul is unsuccessful. By looking at LST we can see this is the most likely outcome for a graduate of a school like Stetson.leroyjenkins6969 wrote:True, though your claim that there are more unsuccessful people than successful people at Stetson is unsupported, and without a working definition of successful, comes off as a non sequitur.Gooner91 wrote:
There are a lot more unsuccessful people who go to a school like Stetson.
There are some successful people who drop out of grade school, does not mean it is a good idea.