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Regulus wrote:Here are a couple of charts that I've made in my free time that might prove slightly useful (I didn't make the one for 2011; that was made by someone else here on TLS):
Biglaw + AIII
Class of 2012 Employment Data
Class of 2011 Employment Data
Dat UCI lawl. Broke into T-14. Poor GeorgeTTTown.Regulus wrote:Here are a couple of charts that I've made in my free time that might prove slightly useful (I didn't make the one for 2011; that was made by someone else here on TLS):
Biglaw + AIII
Yeah. Self selection from the T-6. Students from those schools tend to want to do something else.Darmody wrote:I didn't know Penn placed more students into BigLaw than NYU, Yale, Stanford, UChicago and Harvard.
This. And it's true of schools outside the T6. Look at Georgetown. The employment stats significantly underrepresent the school's placement abilities because so many grads self-select away from BigLaw and toward BigGovtRegulus wrote:Obviously students at places like Yale are going to opt into PI and other fields that won't be shown on the BigLaw + FedClerk graph. Unfortunately, these graphs are simply 100% actual placement outcomes and not theoretical placement ability; there is really no way to tell what % of students at any given school got the job they wanted instead of just a job that they were willing to do.notalobbyist wrote:Is there any data or anecdotal evidence to help compensate for selection bias? I feel like the placement data of the graduating class of the better schools tells you more about what law school students want than what the school can do for you.
For example, NYU's clerkships of the graduating class was practically cut in half from 2011-2012. Is NYU losing its luster in this aspect, or is it just that the graduates wanted to do something else.
To what extent are these numbers a reflection of the preferences of employers vs. the preferences of the student body? Is it that NYU grads have a harder time with appellate clerkships than the rest of the T6, and would rather go into government than district clerkships?
I believe there are numbers floating around for CLS/NYU/UPenn that indicate very similar offer rates for those that participated in OCI (85%+)notalobbyist wrote:Is there any data or anecdotal evidence to help compensate for selection bias? I feel like the placement data of the graduating class of the better schools tells you more about what law school students want than what the school can do for you.
For example, NYU's clerkships of the graduating class was practically cut in half from 2011-2012. Is NYU losing its luster in this aspect, or is it just that the graduates wanted to do something else.
To what extent are these numbers a reflection of the preferences of employers vs. the preferences of the student body? Is it that NYU grads have a harder time with appellate clerkships than the rest of the T6, and would rather go into government than district clerkships?
The class of 2011 employment data is actually for the class of 2010 by the looks of it.Lavitz wrote:Regulus wrote:Here are a couple of charts that I've made in my free time that might prove slightly useful (I didn't make the one for 2011; that was made by someone else here on TLS):
Biglaw + AIII
Class of 2012 Employment Data
Class of 2011 Employment Data