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txdude45 wrote:I would general say that your explanation is too long, but I feel like a lot of that context is needed for you to not sound like a guy who will pull a knife at the drop of a hat. I think it's fine as written.

While you pulled the knife for intimidation purposes, I doubt adcoms will give you credit for it b/c you still pulled out a knife in the aftermath of a fight, putting yourself in very near proximity to a very major crime. Even though LS C&F is pretty much to weed out people who may not pass bar C&F, you should probably be prepared to underperform your numbers.

Ded Precedent wrote:Looks fine, I would leave out the bit about you thinking the employee was intoxicated since you don't really know for sure and it kind of looks like you're trying to shift some blame to him like he was acting similarly irresponsible. I wouldn't do that.

txdude45 wrote:I would general say that your explanation is too long, but I feel like a lot of that context is needed for you to not sound like a guy who will pull a knife at the drop of a hat. I think it's fine as written.

While you pulled the knife for intimidation purposes, I doubt adcoms will give you credit for it b/c you still pulled out a knife in the aftermath of a fight, putting yourself in very near proximity to a very major crime. Even though LS C&F is pretty much to weed out people who may not pass bar C&F, you should probably be prepared to underperform your numbers.

jshaffer740 wrote:Thank you for the honest critique. As far as my numbers and your comment about underperformance, what are your thoughts on my chances at OSU Moritz, all things considered?

StillIll wrote: As someone who had (has?) C&F items that had to be addressed (albeit minor ones), I am curious about the philosophy behind this weeding-out process. Let's say School A and School B are in the same legal market, but School A is ranked several spots higher (but B is no slouch). Graduates from each school will likely have to pass the exact same bar, yet School B is more likely to take a flier on the applicant, right? Is this because lower ranked schools are less concerned with making sure their graduates are employable?

In other words, shouldn't potentially bar-passage-precluding C&F issues rule you out at all and any schools?

NanaP wrote:Do you have to put this much detail? Couldn't you just describe it as a fight and leave it at that?

NanaP wrote:Do you have to put this much detail? Couldn't you just describe it as a fight and leave it at that?

jshaffer740 wrote:

NanaP wrote:Do you have to put this much detail? Couldn't you just describe it as a fight and leave it at that?

I could, I am just worried that something like "was involved in a fight, pulled out a knife" might sound much worse without all of the circumstances surrounding the reasoning. If I'm being truly honest to the situation, I really was fearful for my safety, as I am a smaller guy (5'6", 145lb.) and the employee involved was over 6', and over 200lbs. I honestly felt it was the only answer to the situation. Obviously I left that out from the Addendum, for fear of sounding too defensive, but I wanted to convey that there were things leading up to it that placed me in the situation.

bananapeanutbutter wrote:OP: Did you actually order food prior to grabbing the wrong order? For me as a reader, this entirely shifts the story. I agree with previous posters about the intoxication - drop that. I also don't know if we need details on your friend fighting him. Him punching you, you leaving and being punched again then pulling the knife outside is outside.

If I were an adcom, whether or not you ordered food would change the whole series of blame in this sequence.

In the early morning of Jan, XX, 2012, in , I was waiting in line for food I had ordered from a crowded local restaurant after an evening out at bars with friends. I picked up my food from the counter, but an employee believed this item did not belong to me.

Criminal Addendum
In the early morning of January, XX, 2012, in XX, XX, I was waiting in line for food I had ordered from a crowded local restaurant after an evening out at bars with friends. I picked up my food from the counter, but an employee believed this item did not belong to me. I expressed the belief it was mine. As I turned to leave, the employee came towards me and punched the left side of my face. After falling to the ground and receiving another hit to the face, I exited the restaurant. Outside, believing I was still pursued, I removed a small pocket knife I had with me, hoping this would intimidate my pursuer enough to end the fight. I then put the knife away. The local police had been called when the fight started, and had since arrived. As a result of displaying the pocket knife, I was charged with two counts of aggravated menacing (misdemeanor) and one count of disorderly conduct (minor misdemeanor). In accordance with a plea deal, I plead guilty to one charge of aggravated menacing, in exchange for the dismissal of all other charges. I was given a fine of $250, with all other sentences suspended for one year subject to continued lawful behavior.

University Probation Addendum
University X was also notified of this event. After discussing the event with me and reviewing it, The Office of Community Standards put me in probationary period, directed me to complete 10 hours of community service, and to attend two counseling sessions so as to learn from the event.

Reflection
I take full responsibility for all of the actions indicated above. The above event is not indicative of my overall character, as evidenced by my lack of any prior and subsequent criminal history. Additionally, the conviction was expunged from my record in July 2013, due to my lack of prior history and subsequent lawful behavior. I have since successfully obtained my CPA license in the State of XX, and obtained full-time employment with Big 4 Accounting Firm XX, both of which require a background investigation

I have also learned and grown from this event. Through counseling I learned more about myself, and how to responsibly have fun with friends, without going overboard. As a result of my community service I was able to prepare and serve food to impoverished members of the community, which enlightened me to many of the needs of this underserved population. While it is certainly an occurrence I regret, I believe I was able to make the most of it and improve myself as a result.

CyanIdes Of March wrote:Out of curiosity, what did you say to this guy to make him punch you in the first place? Seems like there's a bit missing in the middle or that was the most random reaction to a food mix-up I've ever heard of.

bananapeanutbutter wrote:I might be in the minority, but I would forget about intoxication or your friends or allocating blame, and just present it like this:

1.) Kid orders food with credit card/receipt/some verifiable record.
2.) Kid makes an honest mistake and takes the wrong order.
3.) Kid is assaulted.
4.) Kid tries to run away, unsure what's happening.
5.) Kid thinks he's being followed still, scared shitless and draws knife.

This reads very differently (as in I can't believe you plead guilty) from -

1.) Kid steals food.
2.) Kid is caught, and tries to run away.
3.) Employee tries to regain stolen property, albeit a bit too aggressively.
4.) Kid - now thief draws knife.

Ded Precedent wrote:Did you even end up getting to eat the burrito?

jshaffer740 wrote:

Ded Precedent wrote:Did you even end up getting to eat the burrito?

Nope. I left with a bloodied up face, gashes to my arm from falling, but no burrito. I have no idea what became of it.

norkanite wrote: As far as the addendum itself - I'd cut down on the reflection. Simply presenting the facts, then succinctly informing them it's the only thing on your record should make it seem smaller.

bananapeanutbutter wrote:

jshaffer740 wrote:

Ded Precedent wrote:Did you even end up getting to eat the burrito?

Nope. I left with a bloodied up face, gashes to my arm from falling, but no burrito. I have no idea what became of it.

Did you get a broken nose or anything? I don't understand why they charged you..... or why you didn't sue the place. I also don't understand how the employee randomly hit you over a bag of food that cost them maybe 5 dollars to make. Violence seems like an extreme response.