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The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
I disagree with the verbiage here, I would call this "intellectually appreciated" and not "rated". Still, the disparity of peer assessment rankings as they relate to LSAT scores is interesting. Any theories why some underachieve and other overachieve the peer rankings versus inputs?
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
What a useless exercise.
I doubt even people in legal academia give a shit
Edit: no offense intended, but at most this'll get a "hmm. Interesting" reaction before being promptly forgotten by most readers
I doubt even people in legal academia give a shit
Edit: no offense intended, but at most this'll get a "hmm. Interesting" reaction before being promptly forgotten by most readers
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
i didn't even find it interesting.
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
How is Penn not on there?
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
+1guano wrote:What a useless exercise.
The words "overrated" and "underrated" could be reversed if we were talking about applicants.
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
I certainly don't take offense. I am interested why some peer assessments would seem to not align with input metrics, as many faculty members place a high emphasis on this. When you go to faculty conferences and you work in admissions you get a ton of "what is your median LSAT going to be this year?" and none or very few "what is your median gpa?"guano wrote:What a useless exercise.
I doubt even people in legal academia give a shit
Edit: no offense intended, but at most this'll get a "hmm. Interesting" reaction before being promptly forgotten by most readers
I think the 40 are pretty much meaningless though, yes. Note that regent produced the initial list.
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
Waiting for someone to come on TLS to say "I should totally go to Florida Intl. it's underrated per this random list from some dude at Regent."TripTrip wrote:+1guano wrote:What a useless exercise.
The words "overrated" and "underrated" could be reversed if we were talking about applicants.
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
I see a guy from Regent gave them the spread sheet. I also see it happens to be one of the most underrated schools on the list based on this pretty much pointless comparison of LSAT to Peer score. I feel he may have done this to try to show Regent should be ranked better or something. Anyhow, I found it interesting California had 5 "underrated schools" and all besides Pepperdine were TTT/TTTT. I wanted to see underrated and overrated with schools actually in the top 50, that would have been much more exciting in my opinion.
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
Fck yeah, Texas Tech killing it!
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
Isn't that because virtually any law school could have a ridiculous GPA median if they were willing to sacrifice everything else? Whereas not every law school could have an LSAT median over 170, because it would be impossible to attract enough candidates with scores that high.MikeSpivey wrote:When you go to faculty conferences and you work in admissions you get a ton of "what is your median LSAT going to be this year?" and none or very few "what is your median gpa?"
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
That and faculty often put a fine-point on intellectualism over motivation and some personality traits. Also LSAT scores come from the same baseline whereas gpa comes from thousands.TripTrip wrote:Isn't that because virtually any law school could have a ridiculous GPA median if they were willing to sacrifice everything else? Whereas not every law school could have an LSAT median over 170, because it would be impossible to attract enough candidates with scores that high.MikeSpivey wrote:When you go to faculty conferences and you work in admissions you get a ton of "what is your median LSAT going to be this year?" and none or very few "what is your median gpa?"
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
FWIW, I can definitely see some overlap.
If people see the words "Regent" or "Liberty" any objective type of measurement goes out the window and it's like all they can see is a scene from The Shining with "TTT" painted in Falwell's blood.
It's rough that those contemplating a profession whose gate-keeping test requires critical thinking and rudimentary logic can't see past ideological leanings with which they disagree. Genetic fallacy anyone?
Also, I think Chapman is a lot better school than its ranking deserves. It's pure gold in Orange County, which happens to be a little bit of heaven on earth.
But take my opinion with a grain of salt; I wouldn't attend any of those schools even with a full scholarship. Well, maybe Regent since they've got Ashcroft.
If people see the words "Regent" or "Liberty" any objective type of measurement goes out the window and it's like all they can see is a scene from The Shining with "TTT" painted in Falwell's blood.
It's rough that those contemplating a profession whose gate-keeping test requires critical thinking and rudimentary logic can't see past ideological leanings with which they disagree. Genetic fallacy anyone?
Also, I think Chapman is a lot better school than its ranking deserves. It's pure gold in Orange County, which happens to be a little bit of heaven on earth.
But take my opinion with a grain of salt; I wouldn't attend any of those schools even with a full scholarship. Well, maybe Regent since they've got Ashcroft.
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
i loledmustached wrote:FWIW, I can definitely see some overlap.
If people see the words "Regent" or "Liberty" any objective type of measurement goes out the window and it's like all they can see is a scene from The Shining with "TTT" painted in Falwell's blood.
It's rough that those contemplating a profession whose gate-keeping test requires critical thinking and rudimentary logic can't see past ideological leanings with which they disagree. Genetic fallacy anyone?
Also, I think Chapman is a lot better school than its ranking deserves. It's pure gold in Orange County, which happens to be a little bit of heaven on earth.
But take my opinion with a grain of salt; I wouldn't attend any of those schools even with a full scholarship. Well, maybe Regent since they've got Ashcroft.
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
If a school was ranked 90 instead of 190 it wouldn't matter. All that matters is employment prospects and "national reach," and only 14 schools have any amount of the latter. Legal academics and administrators EDIT: and dumb applicants need to stop obsessing over shit that doesn't matter.
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
its your job to care.MikeSpivey wrote:I certainly don't take offense. I am interested why some peer assessments would seem to not align with input metrics, as many faculty members place a high emphasis on this. When you go to faculty conferences and you work in admissions you get a ton of "what is your median LSAT going to be this year?" and none or very few "what is your median gpa?"guano wrote:What a useless exercise.
I doubt even people in legal academia give a shit
Edit: no offense intended, but at most this'll get a "hmm. Interesting" reaction before being promptly forgotten by most readers
I think the 40 are pretty much meaningless though, yes. Note that regent produced the initial list.
A quick answer might be to look at ideological or geographic reasons why a professor might choose a lesser school. After that, some schools might prefer having a handful of superstars and the rest of the profs be cheap, while other schools might want a more balanced faculty. But again, this just seems like its taking one barely relevant piece of data and using it as a metric to obtain a desired result (see eg library square footage and the Brennan report)
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
I'd rather see a comparison of quality employment and COA vs peer assessment
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
Article links to a depressing video. Apparently US News isn't responsible for anything.
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
I watched that entire thing on March 11th. It was almost as hard to sit through as the "Boom goes the dynamite" video.jas1503 wrote:Article links to a depressing video. Apparently US News isn't responsible for anything.
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
It's strange to think that guy is essentially a God to some people in the law school community.MikeSpivey wrote:I watched that entire thing on March 11th. It was almost as hard to sit through as the "Boom goes the dynamite" video.jas1503 wrote:Article links to a depressing video. Apparently US News isn't responsible for anything.
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
OOF that interview was brutal.
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Re: The 20 most "overrated" and "underrated" law schools.
lawl at Liberty being underrated.
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God this guy is boring.jas1503 wrote:Article links to a depressing video. Apparently US News isn't responsible for anything.
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