What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:24 pm
Just curious. Wondering if anyone has this stat. Obviously the T14 represents 14 out of 200 schools, so I would expect the number to be between 5 and 15%.
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Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:30 pm
About 10
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:40 pm
It seems really strange that the number is that small. Nearly everyone I've met (online and IRL) is a "T30 or bust" type.
Sorta feel bad for all those folks making bad decisions about LS. A friend of mine from high school who moved out to California recently posted how excited he was to get into Whittier, and all of his family were going ballistic about how proud they were. I feel like I should say something.
Sorta feel bad for all those folks making bad decisions about LS. A friend of mine from high school who moved out to California recently posted how excited he was to get into Whittier, and all of his family were going ballistic about how proud they were. I feel like I should say something.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:47 pm
We can do math to figure this out:
Fall 2011 total matriculation: ~45,600
Fall 2011 T14 class size total- 4,475
That's a little less than 10%.
Which makes sense- there are 14 law schools out of about ~200. That's 7% compared to 9.8%.
Fall 2011 total matriculation: ~45,600
Fall 2011 T14 class size total- 4,475
That's a little less than 10%.
Which makes sense- there are 14 law schools out of about ~200. That's 7% compared to 9.8%.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:49 pm
We can do math to figure this out
Not so fast, grasshopper. Many prelaw types are math-challenged.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:32 pm
Doesn't seem that strange at all, actually. Why would anyone aspire to go to a sub-par law school?RhymesLikeDimes wrote:It seems really strange that the number is that small. Nearly everyone I've met (online and IRL) is a "T30 or bust" type.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:40 pm
OP didn't actually confine his definition of law schools to ABA approved, so its actually less than even that.onionz wrote:We can do math to figure this out:
Fall 2011 total matriculation: ~45,600
Fall 2011 T14 class size total- 4,475
That's a little less than 10%.
Which makes sense- there are 14 law schools out of about ~200. That's 7% compared to 9.8%.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:07 pm
Not calling out you personally, but I hate this joke.Big Dog wrote:We can do math to figure this out
Not so fast, grasshopper. Many prelaw types are math-challenged.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:20 pm
I think you misunderstood what he found to be strange.PRgradBYU wrote:Doesn't seem that strange at all, actually. Why would anyone aspire to go to a sub-par law school?RhymesLikeDimes wrote:It seems really strange that the number is that small. Nearly everyone I've met (online and IRL) is a "T30 or bust" type.
Also, this is TLS! Remember LSAT prep guys? I could not believe how few people got a 170, or even a 160 for that matter, because the "people I knew" were TLSers all screaming "I got a 171 on my PT today. Wanted to kill myself afterward." Same thing with the people I know looking into law school, of course they are t14 or bust.
It's not reality, it's TLS.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:45 pm
Yeah, what I meant was that most people I have encountered would just say "**** it", and either reapply or do something else if they didn't get into Fordham or higher (I'm a NYer). I don't think anyone realistically aspires for Stanford and winds up at Whittier. It would seem that a fair number are happy with a "good" TTT, I just haven't actually met any. Though I suppose that isn't something you disclose.
EDIT: Surprised more so in the real world. I expect a place like this to be ultra competitive.
EDIT: Surprised more so in the real world. I expect a place like this to be ultra competitive.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:52 pm
Touché. That's a good way of putting it.Micdiddy wrote:It's not reality, it's TLS.
Edit: Major quoting fail.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:02 pm
Most people I meet aim for T30's or T50's (usually top regionals) but are more than willing to settle for anything in the top 100. Retaking is rarely something even considered in the real world, in my experience at least.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:Yeah, what I meant was that most people I have encountered would just say "**** it", and either reapply or do something else if they didn't get into Fordham or higher (I'm a NYer). I don't think anyone realistically aspires for Stanford and winds up at Whittier. It would seem that a fair number are happy with a "good" TTT, I just haven't actually met any. Though I suppose that isn't something you disclose.
EDIT: Surprised more so in the real world. I expect a place like this to be ultra competitive.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:06 pm
Most people I talk to in the "real" world are just astonished by my 170 and the schools I applied to. Here the response is, "meh, retake?" It's just a different mindset on TLS, and I'm glad it's not more wide spread or I'd have a much more difficult time getting in anywhere.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:12 pm
Haha! This is true.guinness1547 wrote:Most people I talk to in the "real" world are just astonished by my 170 and the schools I applied to. Here the response is, "meh, retake?" It's just a different mindset on TLS, and I'm glad it's not more wide spread or I'd have a much more difficult time getting in anywhere.
I almost feel bad for TLSers beating themselves up for scoring anything outside the 99th percentile. Breathe, people.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 9:28 pm
Quoting fail?PRgradBYU wrote:Touché. That's a good way of putting it.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:It's not reality, it's TLS.
Yeah, I remember discussing with my wife's Aunt that I would probably retake my 173, and she almost spit out her water.guinness1547 wrote:Most people I talk to in the "real" world are just astonished by my 170 and the schools I applied to. Here the response is, "meh, retake?" It's just a different mindset on TLS, and I'm glad it's not more wide spread or I'd have a much more difficult time getting in anywhere.
I love TLS. I feel stupid and inadequate here. It's fun.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:16 pm
My undergrad's average LSAT score is apparently 147, which is one of the lowest I have ever seen. Those lying SOBs... no wonder they all wound up at Albany and NYLS.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:08 pm
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Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:23 pm
I got a big taste of "It's not reality, it's TLS" earlier today when I found out that of all the people who apply in a typical cycle, more than half of them wait until mid-January before sending in their first application.PRgradBYU wrote:Touché. That's a good way of putting it.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:It's not reality, it's TLS.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:37 pm
Yep. I have two friends applying this cycle and they have yet to turn in any apps.ScottRiqui wrote:I got a big taste of "It's not reality, it's TLS" earlier today when I found out that of all the people who apply in a typical cycle, more than half of them wait until mid-January before sending in their first application.PRgradBYU wrote:Touché. That's a good way of putting it.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:It's not reality, it's TLS.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:23 am
Yeah, that's actually pretty common. BYU law is a big deal to a lot of people out here, and I'm sure the same applies to regional law schools in their respective regions. I admit that when I started thinking about law school, my dream was to end up at BYU--I thought I would have it made and get a golden ticket for life. Luckily, 99% of BYU's law students are Mormon and pay what is probably the lowest tuition in the country for their schooling, so the program is a bit of a bargain (that is, if you can overlook the 51% employment rate).Regulus wrote:You might have experienced this as a BYU student (I assume that's where you went because of your user name), but a lot of my relatives (they are all Mormon) would actually brag when their kids got into BYU law school.... and I think it can be the same for other regional schools, too. A lot of people simply don't do research and only go off what they know or have been told. The legal field used to be a great job market to go into, so parents might suggest that their kids stay locally and go to a regional law school without knowing how much that will screw up their children's futures.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:30 am
I applied to most schools the first week of January this cycle, too, but I'd be willing to bet most people on TLS got their apps in around mid-November!guinness1547 wrote:Yep. I have two friends applying this cycle and they have yet to turn in any apps.ScottRiqui wrote:I got a big taste of "It's not reality, it's TLS" earlier today when I found out that of all the people who apply in a typical cycle, more than half of them wait until mid-January before sending in their first application.PRgradBYU wrote:Touché. That's a good way of putting it.RhymesLikeDimes wrote:It's not reality, it's TLS.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:23 am
Whoops. I sent out apps last week. I wanted to send them out super early, but had LoR problems. Oh well.ScottRiqui wrote:I got a big taste of "It's not reality, it's TLS" earlier today when I found out that of all the people who apply in a typical cycle, more than half of them wait until mid-January before sending in their first application.PRgradBYU wrote:Touché. That's a good way of putting it.Micdiddy wrote:It's not reality, it's TLS.
Dude, talk about naive, U.C. Davis King's Hall is what motivated me to take the LSAT in the first place. I was like "Oh my god, I can has law school at Davis?"PRgradBYU wrote: I admit that when I started thinking about law school, my dream was to end up at BYU--I thought I would have it made and get a golden ticket for life.
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:07 am
Well hey, whatever it takes to give us that initial motivation, right? Something's gotta get the ball rolling.Micdiddy wrote:Dude, talk about naive, U.C. Davis King's Hall is what motivated me to take the LSAT in the first place. I was like "Oh my god, I can has law school at Davis?"
...unless you get your UG at Southern University and you're aspiring to enter their law program (http://www.top-law-schools.com/southern ... enter.html). I LOL'd hard when I read this on their profile: "58.3 percent of SULC graduates passed the Louisiana state bar exam."
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:14 am
55% of takers pass the michigan bar http://abovethelaw.com/tag/bar-passage-rates/PRgradBYU wrote:Well hey, whatever it takes to give us that initial motivation, right? Something's gotta get the ball rolling.Micdiddy wrote:Dude, talk about naive, U.C. Davis King's Hall is what motivated me to take the LSAT in the first place. I was like "Oh my god, I can has law school at Davis?"
...unless you get your UG at Southern University and you're aspiring to enter their law program (http://www.top-law-schools.com/southern ... enter.html). I LOL'd hard when I read this on their profile: "58.3 percent of SULC graduates passed the Louisiana state bar exam."
Re: What percent of law students attend a T14?
Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:26 am
For sure. I am happy for that motivation, and honestly I still think to myself some nights that I would take full ride at Davis over a t10. But then again I live here and went to ug here, so there's that emotional attachment.PRgradBYU wrote:Well hey, whatever it takes to give us that initial motivation, right? Something's gotta get the ball rolling.Micdiddy wrote:Dude, talk about naive, U.C. Davis King's Hall is what motivated me to take the LSAT in the first place. I was like "Oh my god, I can has law school at Davis?"
...unless you get your UG at Southern University and you're aspiring to enter their law program (http://www.top-law-schools.com/southern ... enter.html). I LOL'd hard when I read this on their profile: "58.3 percent of SULC graduates passed the Louisiana state bar exam."
But OMG did you see Southern U is only 12k a year for full-time! Talk about not having debt post law school.