C/O 2015 Medians and Class Sizes Forum

[Lord Randolph McDuff]

Would the drop in applicants from last year, and also this year, help someone who is above a schools 75th GPA percentile, but say 2 points below the 25th LSAT percentile?

It really depends on the school, what school do you want to know? Bear in mind that high gpa's are dime-a-dozen, below median lsat hurts, especially that low.

Below median lsat by 1 point hurts the same as a below median lsat by 43 points. Not sure if I understand what you mean.

[Ruxin1]

Would the drop in applicants from last year, and also this year, help someone who is above a schools 75th GPA percentile, but say 2 points below the 25th LSAT percentile?

It really depends on the school, what school do you want to know? Bear in mind that high gpa's are dime-a-dozen, below median lsat hurts, especially that low.

Below median lsat by 1 point hurts the same as a below median lsat by 43 points. Not sure if I understand what you mean.

Technically, but not in a practical sense. Look at LSN

[nkp007]

Would the drop in applicants from last year, and also this year, help someone who is above a schools 75th GPA percentile, but say 2 points below the 25th LSAT percentile?

It really depends on the school, what school do you want to know? Bear in mind that high gpa's are dime-a-dozen, below median lsat hurts, especially that low.

Below median lsat by 1 point hurts the same as a below median lsat by 43 points. Not sure if I understand what you mean.

No school wants anyone who is below their median by 43 points.

[AllDangle]

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[Ruxin1]

Would the drop in applicants from last year, and also this year, help someone who is above a schools 75th GPA percentile, but say 2 points below the 25th LSAT percentile?

It really depends on the school, what school do you want to know? Bear in mind that high gpa's are dime-a-dozen, below median lsat hurts, especially that low.

Duke, ED.

If your above 3.87 (new UVA GPA median) and a 165, just ED UVA. I don't see Duke dipping that low, but why are you not retaking?

But let's take this to PM to not clutter up the thread.

[Lord Randolph McDuff]

Would the drop in applicants from last year, and also this year, help someone who is above a schools 75th GPA percentile, but say 2 points below the 25th LSAT percentile?

It really depends on the school, what school do you want to know? Bear in mind that high gpa's are dime-a-dozen, below median lsat hurts, especially that low.

Below median lsat by 1 point hurts the same as a below median lsat by 43 points. Not sure if I understand what you mean.

Technically, but not in a practical sense. Look at LSN

Agreed.

[Ruxin1]

Agreed.

So you are just bringing useless information to the thread because?

[sd1]

ASU is up...

http://www.law.asu.edu/admissions/Admis ... ofile.aspx

161/163/165
3.31/3.65/3.82

Medians are up in both from last year. No word on class size.

[sd1]

Just clicking around the internet--this thread is missing a bunch...

Pepperdine, Florida, Florida State, Lewis & CLark, Iowa, UGA, Indiana Bloomington--have to work today (darn labor day) but can post later if people don't find updates on web.

[WanderingPondering]

UGA medians- 164/3.67, 189 enrolled

[WanderingPondering]

Here's a couple Florida schools

UF- 162/3.59 - 287 students
FSU- 160/3.53 - 188 students

[VUSisterRayVU]

Here's a couple Florida schools

UF- 162/3.59 - 287 students
FSU- 160/3.53 - 188 students

Feel like that's a huge hit but I don't know their numbers from last year.

[rglifberg]

Here's a couple Florida schools

UF- 162/3.59 - 287 students
FSU- 160/3.53 - 188 students

Feel like that's a huge hit but I don't know their numbers from last year.

Wow,that is a huge hit! 160 was FSU's 25th percentile score last year, this year it's their median. I like it.

[geary86]

Here's a couple Florida schools

UF- 162/3.59 - 287 students
FSU- 160/3.53 - 188 students

Feel like that's a huge hit but I don't know their numbers from last year.

Wow,that is a huge hit! 160 was FSU's 25th percentile score last year, this year it's their median. I like it.

UF (#48): 162 (0), 3.59 (-.05), 287 (-8)
FSU (#51): 160 (-2), 3.53 (+.06), 188 (-12)

[Nova]

Why does >75th matter if MEDIANS are the important numbers? How does a 175 affect xSchool's median? Espeically if they're a splitter? 175/3.4?? I mean, unless you can get enough 175s to fill out HALF of the seats, I don't understand why you'd give them $$$. Am I missing something?

They don't matter for usnews ranking, but they do matter for leiters ranking and for pride. I know for me, I laugh at schools like UMN that has like 157 25th, 167 median and 75th. Anyone educated on the law school game can immediately tell that UMN is unabashedly gaming the magazine rankings. I have fears my school will begin to do the same thing actually. It's embarrassing, and completely contrary to everything that the admissions office states.

I go to UMN and dont mind their gaming. With a few exceptions, you either have to have a 3.8+ or a 167+ to get in. Not really an embarrassing standard.

[tbird]

ASU is up...

http://www.law.asu.edu/admissions/Admis ... ofile.aspx

161/163/165
3.31/3.65/3.82

Medians are up in both from last year. No word on class size.

What does this mean the medians are? Is 50th percentile the same as median? (Probably a dumb question)

[top30man]

ASU is up...

http://www.law.asu.edu/admissions/Admis ... ofile.aspx

161/163/165
3.31/3.65/3.82

Medians are up in both from last year. No word on class size.

What does this mean the medians are? Is 50th percentile the same as median? (Probably a dumb question)

Yes the median is the 50th percentile.

[justonemoregame]

Pepperdine:

156 (-2) / 162 (-1) / 164 (-1)

3.35 (+.02) / 3.63 (no change) / 3.75 (- .03)

Enrollment: 213 (+11)

Tuition and fees: + 4.99% ($44,980)

Conclusion: Standards down, cost and enrollment up

Iowa: (as of 8-14-12)

158 (0) / 162 (+1) / 164 (0)

3.46 (-.05) / 3.66 (+.02) / 3.8 (-.01)

Enrollment: 155 (-25, or -13.88%)

Resident Tuition and fees: $27,344 (+3.76%)

Standards up, enrollment down


Florida

Resident tuition and fees: $21,421 (+14.48%) (Over three years, this fall's entering class will have to gamble about $10,000 more for their ~65% chance to be an attorney)

Florida State:

Resident tuition and fees: $19,936 (+8.68%)

Georgia

164 (-1)

3.67 (+.08)

189 1Ls (-36, or -16%)

Lewis and Clark:

156 (-1) / 160 (-1) / 162 (-1)

3.24 (+.04) / 3.47 (-.02) / 3.65 (-.03)

Enrollment: 214 (-12, or -5.3%)


Indiana-Bloomington

164 (-2)

3.8 (+.05)

1Ls: 201 (-39, or -16.25%)

Resident tuition and fees: $29,946 +6.45%

[romothesavior]

ASU is up...

http://www.law.asu.edu/admissions/Admis ... ofile.aspx

161/163/165
3.31/3.65/3.82

Medians are up in both from last year. No word on class size.

DROVES I tell you.

[pwyoung]

Can somebody explain to me all of these ASU jokes? I feel like I missed a thread.

[justonemoregame]

Can somebody explain to me all of these ASU jokes? I feel like I missed a thread.

People were joking about the impact of their rankings jump, saying that employers would flock to ASU to hire students because of it.

[geary86]

Can somebody explain to me all of these ASU jokes? I feel like I missed a thread.

People were joking about the impact of their rankings jump, saying that employers would flock to ASU to hire students because of it.

ASU jumped from #55 in 2009 to #38 in 2010, then took a little break in 2011 (#40), and managed to pull off yet another huge jump this year to #26!

[Huskies13!]

Any word on UW? That was a school with a HUGE jump last year.

ASU went up in LSAT and GPA last year as well...but so did UW!! Anyone else gone up two years in a row?

[Betharl]

Nothing on NYU/CLS/Penn/NU?

[LargeNinCharge]

What about Harvard Yale and Columbia?