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Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:01 pm
If you're black it certainly does.
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:05 pm
What is your potential rationale for doing this? It's not going to help you.
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:33 pm
If you're white or Asian, it makes no difference. Men and women are about equally represented in law schools anyway, so I don't think gender changes anything either.
There's no reason not to report.
There's no reason not to report.
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:42 pm
flcath wrote:If you're black it certainly does.
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:53 pm
.top30man wrote:What is your potential rationale for doing this? It's not going to help you.
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:57 pm
Asian?helix23 wrote:Potential rationale being that over-representation may hurt chances?top30man wrote:What is your potential rationale for doing this? It's not going to help you.
It's fine either way.
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 3:58 pm
They just assume you're white if you don't specify. So if you're white or Asian, it doesn't make a difference. If you're URM or some other ethnicity, then you might hurt yourself to varying degrees. (More for the 3 URM categories, obv)
Being Asian doesn't hurt in the case of law school, as Asians aren't as overrepresented as they are in undergrad.
Gender's not much of an issue. Women are slightly underrepresented, but not enough to matter on your apps.
Being Asian doesn't hurt in the case of law school, as Asians aren't as overrepresented as they are in undergrad.
Gender's not much of an issue. Women are slightly underrepresented, but not enough to matter on your apps.
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:07 pm
I always refuse, because I don't think it should matter.top30man wrote:What is your potential rationale for doing this? It's not going to help you.
Too bad I didn't apply to Michigan
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:19 pm
Might help as it allows the office clerks to fill in the missing blanks. 
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:49 pm
Michigan's "attempt to build a diverse class" is not the same as the law stating that they can't have race-based quotasdingbat wrote:I always refuse, because I don't think it should matter.top30man wrote:What is your potential rationale for doing this? It's not going to help you.
Too bad I didn't apply to Michigan
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:50 pm
My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that, subsequent to the SCOTUS decision you're referencing, Michigan amended its state constitution to outlaw any AA on the part of U of M.JamMasterJ wrote:Michigan's "attempt to build a diverse class" is not the same as the law stating that they can't have race-based quotasdingbat wrote:I always refuse, because I don't think it should matter.top30man wrote:What is your potential rationale for doing this? It's not going to help you.
Too bad I didn't apply to Michigan
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:54 pm
Huh, I wasn't aware of that update.flcath wrote:My understanding (and I could be wrong) is that, subsequent to the SCOTUS decision you're referencing, Michigan amended its state constitution to outlaw any AA on the part of U of M.JamMasterJ wrote:Michigan's "attempt to build a diverse class" is not the same as the law stating that they can't have race-based quotasdingbat wrote:I always refuse, because I don't think it should matter.top30man wrote:What is your potential rationale for doing this? It's not going to help you.
Too bad I didn't apply to Michigan
Their LSN charts of URM only vs URM excluded create some pretty big questions if this is the case.
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 4:56 pm
I'm diverse enough...JamMasterJ wrote:Michigan's "attempt to build a diverse class" is not the same as the law stating that they can't have race-based quotasdingbat wrote:I always refuse, because I don't think it should matter.top30man wrote:What is your potential rationale for doing this? It's not going to help you.
Too bad I didn't apply to Michigan
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:00 pm
flcath, are you referring to Grutter v Bollinger?
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 5:20 pm
Yup, ty. (I wasn't going to look it up myself; I get on TLS during the day to avoid doing legal research.) Prop. 2, under the "Law adopted post-case" section of the Wikipeida article, was what I was specifically referring to.JamMasterJ wrote:flcath, are you referring to Grutter v Bollinger?
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:21 pm
UM should just go private. It's essentially a private institution WRT funding anyway.flcath wrote:Yup, ty. (I wasn't going to look it up myself; I get on TLS during the day to avoid doing legal research.) Prop. 2, under the "Law adopted post-case" section of the Wikipeida article, was what I was specifically referring to.JamMasterJ wrote:flcath, are you referring to Grutter v Bollinger?
I wonder how explicitly this overturn rules out using race i.e. can they couch it by calling someone a "well-rounded candidate" rather than using a race-related term?
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:30 pm
I would think so, otherwise U of M would have like no blax.JamMasterJ wrote:UM should just go private. It's essentially a private institution WRT funding anyway.flcath wrote:Yup, ty. (I wasn't going to look it up myself; I get on TLS during the day to avoid doing legal research.) Prop. 2, under the "Law adopted post-case" section of the Wikipeida article, was what I was specifically referring to.JamMasterJ wrote:flcath, are you referring to Grutter v Bollinger?
I wonder how explicitly this overturn rules out using race i.e. can they couch it by calling someone a "well-rounded candidate" rather than using a race-related term?
"Let's see, I can either go to HYS, CCN at half-price, or UVa/Penn with a full-ride . . . or Michigan at sticker price."
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:35 pm
right, because URMs that would be admitted without scholarships at M are basically locked into schollies at better schools. They would be completely out of the competition for creating a diverse class. A 167/3.9 AA male certainly has better options than Michigan at sticker.flcath wrote:I would think so, otherwise U of M would have like no blax.JamMasterJ wrote:UM should just go private. It's essentially a private institution WRT funding anyway.flcath wrote:Yup, ty. (I wasn't going to look it up myself; I get on TLS during the day to avoid doing legal research.) Prop. 2, under the "Law adopted post-case" section of the Wikipeida article, was what I was specifically referring to.JamMasterJ wrote:flcath, are you referring to Grutter v Bollinger?
I wonder how explicitly this overturn rules out using race i.e. can they couch it by calling someone a "well-rounded candidate" rather than using a race-related term?
"Let's see, I can either go to HYS, CCN at half-price, or UVa/Penn with a full-ride . . . or Michigan at sticker price."
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:55 pm
I think your initial idea was right. They probably just do AA and lie and say it's something else. (Which isn't a bad thing. I'm pro-AA and, even if I weren't, it'd be very difficult to be the *only* LS not to do it.)JamMasterJ wrote:right, because URMs that would be admitted without scholarships at M are basically locked into schollies at better schools. They would be completely out of the competition for creating a diverse class. A 167/3.9 AA male certainly has better options than Michigan at sticker.
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 2:40 pm
.tfleming09 wrote:I think whenever you don't report they just put them in the "whatever, whitey" pile.
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:31 pm
The people who handle this data aren't the same people who make your hiring decisions. A lot of times it comes in a totally separate email, sometimes after you've been rejected.helix23 wrote:lol I guess I was wondering if it's better to be implicitly or explicitly a white male...tfleming09 wrote:I think whenever you don't report they just put them in the "whatever, whitey" pile.
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 6:57 pm
wrong forum, yes?flcath wrote:The people who handle this data aren't the same people who make your hiring decisions. A lot of times it comes in a totally separate email, sometimes after you've been rejected.helix23 wrote:lol I guess I was wondering if it's better to be implicitly or explicitly a white male...tfleming09 wrote:I think whenever you don't report they just put them in the "whatever, whitey" pile.
Re: Does not reporting ethnicity or gender hurt your app?
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:20 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot this board does admissions stuff.JamMasterJ wrote:wrong forum, yes?flcath wrote:The people who handle this data aren't the same people who make your hiring decisions. A lot of times it comes in a totally separate email, sometimes after you've been rejected.helix23 wrote:lol I guess I was wondering if it's better to be implicitly or explicitly a white male...tfleming09 wrote:I think whenever you don't report they just put them in the "whatever, whitey" pile.