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I just checked UCLA's tuition fee and it went up 3K to 47K a year. Was 44K when I checked it like a few days ago. I didn't get any memo talking about the fee increase. Are all the other UC's getting increase. wtf

joetheplumber wrote:I just checked UCLA's tuition fee and it went up 3K to 47K a year. Was 44K when I checked it like a few days ago. I didn't get any memo talking about the fee increase. Are all the other UC's getting increase. wtf

UC Hastings announced a 10% increase all along. Entire UC system is just fucked- they are well on their way to being the most expensive schools in the country

SaintsTheMetal wrote:

joetheplumber wrote:I just checked UCLA's tuition fee and it went up 3K to 47K a year. Was 44K when I checked it like a few days ago. I didn't get any memo talking about the fee increase. Are all the other UC's getting increase. wtf

UC Hastings announced a 10% increase all along. Entire UC system is just fucked- they are well on their way to being the most expensive schools in the country

Agreed. That is fucking absurd.

wow this is dumb. USC and UCLA are almost the same in tuition money. Given the increase of tuition, USC doesn't look too bad since they were offering me more $$ but since their tuition was more than UCLA beforehand, i declined.

When I was at UC X we raised our tuition 33% in one year. Fun times.

Get used to this.

tbh, I can't imagine it being a good idea to go to any UC right now without a MASSIVE scholarship. Who knows when Cali will get their shit straight but I doubt it will be in the next 3 years

Honestly, I was a little relieved to see that it was only a $3k increase. That's how screwed up it is.

Doesn't look like this will be going away any time soon. The UC's pension/salary liabilities are a huge increasing burden

Isn't UC law school tuition still cheaper than any other private schools? Even with the increase, you still get a competitive education at lower than market rate.

So how is this a bad deal?

Seems to me like you are operating under the assumption that public schools are inferior and you deserve a below-market discount.

AmazingNyquil wrote:Isn't UC law school tuition still cheaper than any other private schools? Even with the increase, you still get a competitive education at lower than market rate.

So how is this a bad deal?

Seems to me like you are operating under the assumption that public schools are inferior and you deserve a below-market discount.

They're operating under the assumption that law school is too fucking expensive in the first place.

HTH

AmazingNyquil wrote:Isn't UC law school tuition still cheaper than any other private schools? Even with the increase, you still get a competitive education at lower than market rate.

So how is this a bad deal?

Seems to me like you are operating under the assumption that public schools are inferior and you deserve a below-market discount.

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AmazingNyquil wrote:Isn't UC law school tuition still cheaper than any other private schools? Even with the increase, you still get a competitive education at lower than market rate.

So how is this a bad deal?

Seems to me like you are operating under the assumption that public schools are inferior and you deserve a below-market discount.

It's assholes like you that are allowing this shit to happen.

AmazingNyquil wrote:Isn't UC law school tuition still cheaper than any other private schools? Even with the increase, you still get a competitive education at lower than market rate.

So how is this a bad deal?

Seems to me like you are operating under the assumption that public schools are inferior and you deserve a below-market discount.

(UC Lawprof being paid 300K)

A quality law school is one that is cheap with decent job prospects. HTFH.

timbs4339 wrote:

AmazingNyquil wrote:Isn't UC law school tuition still cheaper than any other private schools? Even with the increase, you still get a competitive education at lower than market rate.

So how is this a bad deal?

Seems to me like you are operating under the assumption that public schools are inferior and you deserve a below-market discount.

(UC Lawprof being paid 300K)

A quality law school is one that is cheap with decent job prospects. HTFH.

So HYS aren't quality?

Yukos wrote:

timbs4339 wrote:

AmazingNyquil wrote:Isn't UC law school tuition still cheaper than any other private schools? Even with the increase, you still get a competitive education at lower than market rate.

So how is this a bad deal?

Seems to me like you are operating under the assumption that public schools are inferior and you deserve a below-market discount.

(UC Lawprof being paid 300K)

A quality law school is one that is cheap with decent job prospects. HTFH.

So HYS aren't quality?

Sliding scale.

honestly, i dunno even know why it is so expensive. Other public universities in other state's tuition are like 50% of what we have. Is the economy bubble affecting CA that badly that other states are fine. Jeeze, GOVERNOR BROWN, STOP BUILDING TUNNELS AND TRACKS, AND GIMME MORE $$

tfleming09 wrote:

AmazingNyquil wrote:Isn't UC law school tuition still cheaper than any other private schools? Even with the increase, you still get a competitive education at lower than market rate.

So how is this a bad deal?

Seems to me like you are operating under the assumption that public schools are inferior and you deserve a below-market discount.

lol you fucking UC shill

LOL: 1 post.

joetheplumber wrote:honestly, i dunno even know why it is so expensive. Other public universities in other state's tuition are like 50% of what we have. Is the economy bubble affecting CA that badly that other states are fine. Jeeze, GOVERNOR BROWN, STOP BUILDING TUNNELS AND TRACKS, AND GIMME MORE $$

It's because the law schools are being used to pay for the rest of the university system now.

actually public schools are more expensensive right now.. IF you total the cost the UC system gets from the state in direct subsidies and the how much the federal goverment gives them in guaranteed loans(remember tutions are almost equal to private school now) we are paying more to educate our kids in public schools than in private schools..

there is a lot of intelligent people here but there is no real understanding as to why tution is expensive..

tfleming09 wrote:

zman wrote:there is a lot of intelligent people here but there is no real understanding as to why tution is expensive..

No, actually, there is, and it's mostly related to USNews rankings

1) Tenure/tenure track faculty and low student to faculty ratios means bloated professor salaries so they can attract and retain "top" talent
2) Tuition is artificially high so they can give it back in the form of aid to attract higher quality students, while the lower quality students subsidize the kids at the top

Unrelated to USNews but pertinent in this situation:

3) The UC system is flat fucking broke

Nonsense..

it has to do what the goverment extending easy credit to the schools in the form of a guaranteed loan.. abolish goverment loans, tutions collapse right away..

tfleming09 wrote:

zman wrote: Nonsense..

it has to do what the goverment extending easy credit to the schools in the form of a guaranteed loan.. abolish goverment loans, tutions collapse right away..

They're interdependent broski

there is nothing interdependent about it. Goverment guarantees are the problem, the only problem. Abolish the goverment loan guarantee and tutions will plunge. I would say to about 3-4-5 thousand per year. After all under pure market conditions young people couldn't borrow anything because they have no collateral therefore universities will be forced to slash tutions dramatically or face having empty classrooms.

AmazingNyquil wrote:Isn't UC law school tuition still cheaper than any other private schools? Even with the increase, you still get a competitive education at lower than market rate.

So how is this a bad deal?

Seems to me like you are operating under the assumption that public schools are inferior and you deserve a below-market discount.

Loyola LA is 44k right now. Not nearly as good of a school as UCLA, but between UCH and LLS, if I were an incoming student I would be worried about rising tuition at public schools.

tfleming09 wrote:

zman wrote:there is nothing interdependent about it. Goverment guarantees are the problem, the only problem. Abolish the goverment loan guarantee and tutions will plunge. I would say to about 3-4-5 thousand per year. After all under pure market conditions young people couldn't borrow anything because they have no collateral therefore universities will be forced to slash tutions dramatically or face having empty classrooms.

You really don't see how (B) exacerbates (A)?

I do. but just abolish the goverment loan to solve the problem. let the market determine price of tutions, right now it doesn't. Right now, the schools charge WHATEVER they want because the goverment is GUARANTEEING to pay the school WHATEVER prices they want to charge.

The UC system had managed to keep their tutions lower of course as you know. We had full employment, all this tax revenue before the economy collapsed so therefore they didn't need to raise their tutions. But there was NOTHING stopping them from doing it, they could have done what the private schools had been doing all along and that's in fact what they are doing right now.

tfleming09 wrote:

zman wrote:I do. but just abolish the goverment loan to solve the problem. let the market determine price of tutions, right now it doesn't. Right now, the schoold charge WHATEVER they want because the goverment is GUARANTEEING to pay the school WHATEVER prices they want to charge.

We're in agreement, but this thing is such a cash flow source for the government they're not just going to take themselves out of it. At least with changing the USNews criteria it wouldn't incentivize it as much.

We're at a breaking point, though. The current system is unsustainable.

it's a bubble that will pop soon. However the main beneficiaries of this crony system are the universities, they get all this money and use it for means that have nothing to do with education.