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He mentions weak softs and bad speeding tickets. What was he going 150 in a 50?

"potentially controversial" PS sounds iffy.

I really don't think a lack of softs would have caused a cycle that bad.

Why would anyone write a controversial PS? So dumb.

Could be the PS or possibly a negative LOR. I've heard of a lot of cycles ruined by bad LORs.

Jacky D. wrote:Could be the PS or possibly a negative LOR. I've heard of a lot of cycles ruined by bad LORs.

Just curious - how would anyone know if they got a bad LOR? I mean, we don't get to see them...

doomed123 wrote:

Jacky D. wrote:Could be the PS or possibly a negative LOR. I've heard of a lot of cycles ruined by bad LORs.

Just curious - how would anyone know if they got a bad LOR? I mean, we don't get to see them...

In my undergrad, I worked with about 7-8 adcomms on a regular basis from six different law schools in my home state. They would always share stories and advice.

doomed123 wrote:

Jacky D. wrote:Could be the PS or possibly a negative LOR. I've heard of a lot of cycles ruined by bad LORs.

Just curious - how would anyone know if they got a bad LOR? I mean, we don't get to see them...

Many professors allow students to see the letters before they are sent to LSAC.

It's not as bad as it looks at first glance. He didn't get into Yale, okay, nobody does. He was waitlisted at Harvard - it happens. He got into NYU, and hasn't heard from Columbia. Then outside of the T6, the schools that YP did so.

I saw a similar candidate with a controversial PS in the Princeton Review Personal Statement book. He also didn't do too well. He may just be nuts. Law schools want employable people, not people with bats in the belfry.

The applicant's idiocy probable shows through on their app.

1. They can't even tell whether something's controversial. It's not that complicated.
2. They actually submitted something potentially controversial. Poor judgment and they probably have similar poor judgment in other areas.

You're falsely assuming that admission is all about numbers.

delusional wrote:It's not as bad as it looks at first glance. He didn't get into Yale, okay, nobody does. He was waitlisted at Harvard - it happens. He got into NYU, and hasn't heard from Columbia. Then outside of the T6, the schools that YP did so.

Would a school like Penn really YP a candidate like this? Theoretically they may have had a different application for different schools but it is unlikely. Wouldn't Penn/Michigan/etc. see the controversial PS and realize they have a chance at this person?

And, zozin, I can understand schools like Yale and Stanford ignoring the numbers. But Harvard's record shows these types of numbers are almost always going to get you in.

Damn bad cycle. Must not be a smart applicant like all us TLSers.

Hard to tell if it's YP. Could be just a red flag. YP could be one factor--even applicants with bad softs are tough (i.e. expensive) to recruit with schools like NYU and Columbia (though not this case) throwing money at applicants with these numbers.

This guy seems like he lacks common sense to me... Why on earth would he even waste time applying to Chicago Kent? He's from Texas, so SMU was a sufficient safety. As were BC and Texas with those #s, quite frankly.

I agree with the above that this cycle was clearly a result of his PS or a negative LOR.