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+1, I thinkMrPapagiorgio wrote:Harvard's lay prestige comes from a long history of tradition and elitism in the United States. That will not be changed in 10 years, nor will be changed in 25 years for that matter. In a sense, the success from Silicon Valley tech nerds is very new money-esque. It will take a very, very long time (if ever) for them to displace the relationship between Harvard and American aristocracy.
oregon000 wrote:Silicone Valley
I get what you're saying, but the "prestige" associated with Harvard is its dominance in the American ruling class, namely Wall Street and government. The tech boom will take a very long time to displace those two as the preeminent field associated with prestige.flcath wrote:Stanford.
I've been saying this for years. It's not just the "West coast shift" and the better weather; Stanford has a strong edge in the exploding (scientific) fields.
Cambridge > OxfordThreeRivers wrote:Lay prestige will always be Harvard
Just look at Oxford.
Oxford can be taken to prove the opposite. Until the mid 20th century, it was easily the most famous and prestigious university in the world. Sometime in the mid 20th century, Harvard surpassed it - prestige moved West, with the people and the money (all it took was sole-superpower status, 500 years, and $32 billion).ThreeRivers wrote:Lay prestige will always be Harvard
Just look at Oxford.
Maybe, but just look at the gap it's closed since its founding in 1891. It's already rivaled only by HY. It draws the top students from Cali, and has the infrastructure in place to dominate in the sciences going forward. There's NO question it will be the best Univ., the only real question is lay prestige.MrPapagiorgio wrote:I get what you're saying, but the "prestige" associated with Harvard is its dominance in the American ruling class, namely Wall Street and government. The tech boom will take a very long time to displace those two as the preeminent field associated with prestige.flcath wrote:Stanford.
I've been saying this for years. It's not just the "West coast shift" and the better weather; Stanford has a strong edge in the exploding (scientific) fields.
watching the social network is what got me thinking about all this...flcath wrote:Maybe, but just look at the gap it's closed since its founding in 1891. It's already rivaled only by HY. It draws the top students from Cali, and has the infrastructure in place to dominate in the sciences going forward. There's NO question it will be the best Univ., the only real question is lay prestige.MrPapagiorgio wrote:I get what you're saying, but the "prestige" associated with Harvard is its dominance in the American ruling class, namely Wall Street and government. The tech boom will take a very long time to displace those two as the preeminent field associated with prestige.flcath wrote:Stanford.
I've been saying this for years. It's not just the "West coast shift" and the better weather; Stanford has a strong edge in the exploding (scientific) fields.
And lets get real: lay prestige is created by Hollywood (Notre Dame at #4? Really?). Right now, casting a movie at Harvard or making a character a Harvard grad is an easy way of signaling intelligence/prestige/wealth. I think that'll change, given that Hollywood writers live in an area that views Stanford as king.
not in lay prestigedooood wrote:Cambridge > OxfordThreeRivers wrote:Lay prestige will always be Harvard
Just look at Oxford.
I'm from PA / working class town. I'd be willing to bet 90% of residents here would put ND ahead of Standford tbhflcath wrote:Maybe, but just look at the gap it's closed since its founding in 1891. It's already rivaled only by HY. It draws the top students from Cali, and has the infrastructure in place to dominate in the sciences going forward. There's NO question it will be the best Univ., the only real question is lay prestige.MrPapagiorgio wrote:I get what you're saying, but the "prestige" associated with Harvard is its dominance in the American ruling class, namely Wall Street and government. The tech boom will take a very long time to displace those two as the preeminent field associated with prestige.flcath wrote:Stanford.
I've been saying this for years. It's not just the "West coast shift" and the better weather; Stanford has a strong edge in the exploding (scientific) fields.
And lets get real: lay prestige is created by Hollywood (Notre Dame at #4? Really?). Right now, casting a movie at Harvard or making a character a Harvard grad is an easy way of signaling intelligence/prestige/wealth. I think that'll change, given that Hollywood writers live in an area that views Stanford as king.
/ confusion on why I'd have them below other schools+1 same here (although, I'm not from PA, but from a similar situation nonetheless)ThreeRivers wrote:I'm from PA / working class town. I'd be willing to bet 90% of residents here would put ND ahead of Standford tbhflcath wrote:Maybe, but just look at the gap it's closed since its founding in 1891. It's already rivaled only by HY. It draws the top students from Cali, and has the infrastructure in place to dominate in the sciences going forward. There's NO question it will be the best Univ., the only real question is lay prestige.MrPapagiorgio wrote:I get what you're saying, but the "prestige" associated with Harvard is its dominance in the American ruling class, namely Wall Street and government. The tech boom will take a very long time to displace those two as the preeminent field associated with prestige.flcath wrote:Stanford.
I've been saying this for years. It's not just the "West coast shift" and the better weather; Stanford has a strong edge in the exploding (scientific) fields.
And lets get real: lay prestige is created by Hollywood (Notre Dame at #4? Really?). Right now, casting a movie at Harvard or making a character a Harvard grad is an easy way of signaling intelligence/prestige/wealth. I think that'll change, given that Hollywood writers live in an area that views Stanford as king.
Response met from individuals when I stated ND law was my 4th or 5th option while I was applying was
Yeah, "Standford" really isn't prestigious at all. Who the hell are they, anyway?ThreeRivers wrote:I'm from PA / working class town. I'd be willing to bet 90% of residents here would put ND ahead of Standford tbhflcath wrote:Maybe, but just look at the gap it's closed since its founding in 1891. It's already rivaled only by HY. It draws the top students from Cali, and has the infrastructure in place to dominate in the sciences going forward. There's NO question it will be the best Univ., the only real question is lay prestige.MrPapagiorgio wrote:I get what you're saying, but the "prestige" associated with Harvard is its dominance in the American ruling class, namely Wall Street and government. The tech boom will take a very long time to displace those two as the preeminent field associated with prestige.flcath wrote:Stanford.
I've been saying this for years. It's not just the "West coast shift" and the better weather; Stanford has a strong edge in the exploding (scientific) fields.
And lets get real: lay prestige is created by Hollywood (Notre Dame at #4? Really?). Right now, casting a movie at Harvard or making a character a Harvard grad is an easy way of signaling intelligence/prestige/wealth. I think that'll change, given that Hollywood writers live in an area that views Stanford as king.
Response met from individuals when I stated ND law was my 4th or 5th option while I was applying was
Yuporegon000 wrote:Amongst the educated though I feel that H/S are currently on equal footing. Is this just because I am a west coaster?
Yea, it's not at all on the eaststillwater wrote:Yuporegon000 wrote:Amongst the educated though I feel that H/S are currently on equal footing. Is this just because I am a west coaster?
Well, I would qualify the above. That maybe true for the Midwest, but the coastal East does not hold ND in such high esteem.ThreeRivers wrote:Yea, it's not at all on the eaststillwater wrote:Yuporegon000 wrote:Amongst the educated though I feel that H/S are currently on equal footing. Is this just because I am a west coaster?
Among the educated it doesn't compare to hyp
Among the non-educated it's
Hyp, nd, rest of ivy, case western, couple other schools
Stanford? O yea that's where that luck guys from, good qb
fixed...JoeMo wrote:StanfordMichigan will still continue to be known as "The Harvard of the West" for time to come which will then does not translate to itbeing betterhaving more lay prestige than Harvard or Harvard would be the "StanfordMichigan of the East".
Never heard of it...thelawguy wrote:As a prototypical New Englander I have argue that many people would put Williams or Amherst ahead of or at least equal to HYSP. For the size of theses schools they simply dominate Wall Street.