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Posted: **Fri Mar 23, 2012 3:59 pm**

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Posted: **Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:11 pm**

R86 wrote:2/10

Now if these were 'Merican softs...

Not sure if you are serious or trolling because of the 'merican softs comment.

Posted: **Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:15 pm**

jimmierock wrote:Hi all,

I have been reading around and seeing people's emphasize on strong softs to have a good shot at HYS, but I am not quite sure by what is qualified as a strong soft (other than national prizes and such). I was wondering if you guys can rank my current "softs" from somesort of 1-10 scale or chances at T14 school assuming that my GPA/LSAT is at median for each school (if my canadian conversion to GPA is correct, I have 2B's from first year, and rest are A's A+s, so I think I will end up with a 4.0 +, but I have not taken the LSATs yet)

my involvement:
founder/chief editor of an undergraduate journal at my university Shows initiative but nothing really special or game changing
Federal research grant Good soft
Executive positions at a fraternity Stupid soft, nobody cares you were the Treasurer of your frat bro
Varsity wrestler Good soft
various student council positions Decent
Various mentorships from first years to grade 8s Don't know what this means, is it high school or college? If high school, don't even mention it.
Highschool council president (should I put this on a resume at all?)Don't put this on your resume

I think I will have 2 pretty solid recommendation letters as well (1 from a prof that I have been working with for 2 years, another from a prof who thinks I am some sort of mad genius)Doesn't matter at all.

If mods think this is more appropriate for the "Chances section" feel free to move it

Thanks for reading!

Over all you have decent soft factors, but nothing game changing. You'll do exactly what your numbers say for the most part. Maybe get a couple reaches. Nothing spectacular.

Posted: **Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:18 pm**

D'oh. Scooped. Co-sign on DF's analysis.

Posted: **Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:18 pm**

your softs won't help that much but they are ok. get an LSAT score and come back.

Posted: **Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:19 pm**

Posted: **Fri Mar 23, 2012 4:33 pm**

jimmierock wrote: involvement with Big brothers

this would obviously go under your "volunteer work" section of your resume.
I would include it.

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:18 pm**

Desert Fox wrote:Over all you have decent soft factors, but nothing game changing. You'll do exactly what your numbers say for the most part. Maybe get a couple reaches. Nothing spectacular.

To add to the analysis, I would qualify what you have as at the level of involvement that HYS would consider perfectly acceptable for their schools, should your numbers match up. If you don't have the numbers, don't expect to get in based on these softs; if you do have the numbers, expect these softs to be enough to get you in to at least 1/3.

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:22 pm**

Gpa/LSAT > what kind of dog you prefer > softs

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:07 pm**

Thanks alot everyone!

I am quite confused by people saying the softs dont matter,

I am a avid reader of Asha's blog, I read all of her posts and she continuely emphasize the importance of softs but TLS seems to have a different opinion?

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:10 pm**

softs aren't reported to USNWR, brah

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:31 pm**

jimmierock wrote:Thanks alot everyone!

I am quite confused by people saying the softs dont matter,

I am a avid reader of Asha's blog, I read all of her posts and she continuely emphasize the importance of softs but TLS seems to have a different opinion?

Yale and Stanford are the only schools where softs matter, in that if you have the numbers, you still might not get in. You still have to have competitive numbers though. Softs won't get you in anywhere you don't have competitive numbers for.

Also, admissions deans are never going to admit that it's all about the numbers, even though it is. As Pancakes said, softs don't affect the rankings.

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:41 pm**

Softs are decent, not amazing, but decent.

Softs only act as a tiebreaker though, so if you don't have the numbers for a given school, they are unlikely to help.

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:09 pm**

6 or 7 out of 10 when compared with those applying straight outa undergrad

5 or 6 out of 10 when compared to everyone

Posted: **Sun Mar 25, 2012 11:18 pm**

jimmierock wrote:Thanks alot everyone!

I am quite confused by people saying the softs dont matter,

I am a avid reader of Asha's blog, I read all of her posts and she continuely emphasize the importance of softs but TLS seems to have a different opinion?

Yale law admissions =/= law school admissions

Posted: **Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:58 am**

jimmierock wrote:
R86 wrote:2/10

Now if these were 'Merican softs...
Not sure if you are serious or trolling because of the 'merican softs comment.

Really? You can't tell...

Really?

Posted: **Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:06 am**

Desert Fox wrote:
jimmierock wrote:Hi all,

Executive positions at a fraternity Stupid soft, nobody cares you were the Treasurer of your frat bro
Over all you have decent soft factors, but nothing game changing. You'll do exactly what your numbers say for the most part. Maybe get a couple reaches. Nothing spectacular.

Not saying it is a game-changing soft, but as treasurer of my Fraternity I was in charge of over $150,000 in funds + the rent for a year....that's a fairly large budget to manage and not as insignificant as you make it out to be...also, on the off chance that an admissions committee member was also a member of your fraternity you will definitely get a slight bump up

Posted: **Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:16 am**

jimmierock wrote:I am a avid reader of Asha's blog

Since when did TLS become HYS troll playground? No LSAT score but still gunning for Yale?

Posted: **Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:28 am**

Tom Joad wrote:
jimmierock wrote:I am a avid reader of Asha's blog
Since when did TLS become HYS troll playground? No LSAT score but still gunning for Yale?

As were we all, brah.

Posted: **Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:30 am**

Jaeger wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:
jimmierock wrote:I am a avid reader of Asha's blog
Since when did TLS become HYS troll playground? No LSAT score but still gunning for Yale?

As were we all, brah.

I applied to Yale and still haven't heard back from them. Never even thought about sending a LOCI. Never read a page of the waiting thread. Yale is like winning the lottery. You can play but any expectation of winning is just silly (unless you aren't like 4.0 179, but those people are so rare they barely count).

Posted: **Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:33 am**

Tom Joad wrote:
Jaeger wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:
jimmierock wrote:I am a avid reader of Asha's blog
Since when did TLS become HYS troll playground? No LSAT score but still gunning for Yale?

As were we all, brah.
I applied to Yale and still haven't heard back from them. Never even thought about sending a LOCI. Never read a page of the waiting thread. Yale is like winning the lottery. You can play but any expectation of winning is just silly (unless you aren't like 4.0 179, but those people are so rare they barely count).

They probably unapologetically lost your file. But the app fee cleared.

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Posted: **Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:55 am**

alright thanks everyone. I guess I will focus all my energy on getting a good LSAT score.

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