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The total number of LSATs taken for this cycle was just announced: 129,800, i.e., 25% less than two years ago. Since in recent years the ratio of LSAT tests taken to applicants has been just about 2 to 1 that means there will probably be around 65,000 applicants in this cycle. Since a lot of applicants won't consider schools beneath a certain cutoff, this means a lot of schools are going to have trouble filling their classes, no matter how much they cut admissions standards, or how much they discount advertised sticker price with "scholarships."
One thing people might consider doing at this point is contacting a couple of schools where the median LSAT is slightly below yours, and telling them you'll attend on a full tuition scholarship plus a stipend.
One thing people might consider doing at this point is contacting a couple of schools where the median LSAT is slightly below yours, and telling them you'll attend on a full tuition scholarship plus a stipend.
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Dear Yale:
Your median LSAT is below mine. I am writing to let you know I will attend if offered a full scholarship plus stipend. I anxiously await your response.
Your median LSAT is below mine. I am writing to let you know I will attend if offered a full scholarship plus stipend. I anxiously await your response.
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What is that... I don't even
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You're awesome.Tiago Splitter wrote:Dear Yale:
Your median LSAT is below mine. I am writing to let you know I will attend if offered a full scholarship plus stipend. I anxiously await your response.
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Would this work at any t14s?
eta: common sense tells me no, but I'd love to know if anyone's ever pulled this off
eta: common sense tells me no, but I'd love to know if anyone's ever pulled this off
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i wish someone would start posting as paul campus and just begin saying the opposite of what professor campos says.
One thing people might consider doing at this point is contacting a couple of schools where the median LSAT is slightly above yours, and telling them you'll withdraw your acceptance and pay them a years tuition for taking up time.
One thing people might consider doing at this point is contacting a couple of schools where the median LSAT is slightly above yours, and telling them you'll withdraw your acceptance and pay them a years tuition for taking up time.
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Wait... the OP is actually Professor Paul Campos? That kind of seems like stupid advice for someone with such a large reputationGail wrote:i wish someone would start posting as paul campus and just begin saying the opposite of what professor campos says.
One thing people might consider doing at this point is contacting a couple of schools where the median LSAT is slightly above yours, and telling them you'll withdraw your acceptance and pay them a years tuition for taking up time.
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One way to find out.banjo wrote:Would this work at any t14s?
The marginal cost to a school of admitting somebody when otherwise the class would be below its normal size is close to zero. If your LSAT is higher than the school's median then you have something valuable to sell, especially right now.
The people on this forum are still acting like law schools are doing them a favor by admitting them.
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Tiago Splitter wrote:Dear Yale:
Your median LSAT is below mine. I am writing to let you know I will attend if offered a full scholarship plus stipend. I anxiously await your response.
I chuckeled
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Yeah he is confirmed. But outside the T14 it might not be such bad advice, as you probably wouldn't want to go to that school any other way if your numbers are that great.bernaldiaz wrote:Wait... the OP is actually Professor Paul Campos? That kind of seems like stupid advice for someone with such a large reputationGail wrote:i wish someone would start posting as paul campus and just begin saying the opposite of what professor campos says.
One thing people might consider doing at this point is contacting a couple of schools where the median LSAT is slightly above yours, and telling them you'll withdraw your acceptance and pay them a years tuition for taking up time.
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From the naked eye, it seems that schools are huffing GPA glue right now. I think that GPA is more of a factor this cycle. At least for money.Paul Campos wrote:One way to find out.banjo wrote:Would this work at any t14s?
The marginal cost to a school of admitting somebody when otherwise the class would be below its normal size is close to zero. If your LSAT is higher than the school's median then you have something valuable to sell, especially right now.
The people on this forum are still acting like law schools are doing them a favor by admitting them.
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I'm sure there are a ton schools that have the money sitting around to throw a full-ride + stipend at students that are only above one median.
If the applicant pool is down, won't that just mean that LSAT medians will weaken across the board and relative medians will stay the same? Plus, a lot of schools are shrinking their class sizes to compensate for the drop in applicants.
If the applicant pool is down, won't that just mean that LSAT medians will weaken across the board and relative medians will stay the same? Plus, a lot of schools are shrinking their class sizes to compensate for the drop in applicants.
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I already tried this and it didn't work.Tiago Splitter wrote:Dear Yale:
Your median LSAT is below mine. I am writing to let you know I will attend if offered a full scholarship plus stipend. I anxiously await your response.
Apparently presenting Asha with ultimatums isn't an effective method of gaining an acceptance.
(sarcasm)
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Gail wrote:From the naked eye, it seems that schools are huffing GPA glue right now. I think that GPA is more of a factor this cycle. At least for money.Paul Campos wrote:One way to find out.banjo wrote:Would this work at any t14s?
The marginal cost to a school of admitting somebody when otherwise the class would be below its normal size is close to zero. If your LSAT is higher than the school's median then you have something valuable to sell, especially right now.
The people on this forum are still acting like law schools are doing them a favor by admitting them.
GPA works too, although median LSAT is more important to schools because of the idiotic USN rankings formula.
The general point is that law school applicants are buying spots in law school classes, and this has become very much a buyer's market. People should keep that in mind when negotiating with schools.
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Wow. You should have stopped while you were ahead.Paul Campos wrote:One way to find out.banjo wrote:Would this work at any t14s?
The marginal cost to a school of admitting somebody when otherwise the class would be below its normal size is close to zero. If your LSAT is higher than the school's median then you have something valuable to sell, especially right now.
The people on this forum are still acting like law schools are doing them a favor by admitting them.
You seriously think this:
has any chance of happening at T-14 schools?Paul Campos wrote:a lot of schools are going to have trouble filling their classes, no matter how much they cut admissions standards, or how much they discount advertised sticker price with "scholarships."
Since I've been waitlisted at several T-14 schools with an above-median LSAT, I'm now curious to try out the Campos maneuver in an LOCI.
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A "full ride" costs a school nothing if the alternative is one less student in the class. A $3000 stipend costs . . . let's see here, roughly $3000.Samara wrote:I'm sure there are a ton schools that have the money sitting around to throw a full-ride + stipend at students that are only above one median.
If the applicant pool is down, won't that just mean that LSAT medians will weaken across the board and relative medians will stay the same? Plus, a lot of schools are shrinking their class sizes to compensate for the drop in applicants.
LSAT medians will certainly not weaken in a linear manner. Some schools will fight hard to maintain theirs, which they can do on the cheap by filling seats that would otherwise go empty. Shrinking class size intentionally is pretty much a last resort, especially at lower-ranked schools where the budget is heavily tuition-dependent. A few schools have done it, but it's a sign of desperation. Hence the bargaining power of well-credentialed students late in the cycle when the applicant pool is crashing.
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You should probably add this thread to your splitter thread.Samara wrote:I'm sure there are a ton schools that have the money sitting around to throw a full-ride + stipend at students that are only above one median.
If the applicant pool is down, won't that just mean that LSAT medians will weaken across the board and relative medians will stay the same? Plus, a lot of schools are shrinking their class sizes to compensate for the drop in applicants.
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You think Michigan might end up having trouble hitting its median LSAT target this year? Obviously T-14s won't struggle to fill their seats (lower tier schools certainly will) but some are going to struggle to keep their numbers up. This is basically a poker game where you'll never find out what they're holding unless you're willing to call a bluff.Tiago Splitter wrote:Wow. You should have stopped while you were ahead.Paul Campos wrote:One way to find out.banjo wrote:Would this work at any t14s?
The marginal cost to a school of admitting somebody when otherwise the class would be below its normal size is close to zero. If your LSAT is higher than the school's median then you have something valuable to sell, especially right now.
The people on this forum are still acting like law schools are doing them a favor by admitting them.
You seriously think this:
has any chance of happening at T-14 schools?Paul Campos wrote:a lot of schools are going to have trouble filling their classes, no matter how much they cut admissions standards, or how much they discount advertised sticker price with "scholarships."
Since I've been waitlisted at several T-14 schools with an above-median LSAT, I'm now curious to try out the Campos maneuver in an LOCI.
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and the legend of Tiago and Campos continues
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- Tom Joad
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They are MichiGONE.Paul Campos wrote:You think Michigan might end up having trouble hitting its median LSAT target this year?
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Does Campos really not have anything better to do than troll around on threads?
- Tiago Splitter
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I don't think you realize how insulting this "suggestion" is to those of us who have already been rejected with above median LSAT scores. I mean, I was accepted to NYU and was offered a flat 0 dollars in grant money (over three years.) Do you seriously think they'd now send a full ride my way if I threaten to go elsewhere?Paul Campos wrote: You think Michigan might end up having trouble hitting its median LSAT target this year? Obviously T-14s won't struggle to fill their seats (lower tier schools certainly will) but some are going to struggle to keep their numbers up. This is basically a poker game where you'll never find out what they're holding unless you're willing to call a bluff.
As to what Michigan is doing, your guess is as good as mine. But I think it's fairly obvious from this cycle and those in years past that they aren't all that concerned about keeping up with the Joneses on the LSAT front.
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Haha this isn't round one?DaftAndDirect wrote:and the legend of Tiago and Campos continues
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
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